Caught speeding - advice

[deershooter]

No one has given you any proper advice

 

That is to drive slower and don't speed then you won't have a problem

 

Deershooter

[Mungler]

Like other Emergency service workers on PW, l claim exemption regards speed limits (and certain other road rules and regulations) whilst responding to emergencies, or conveying to hospital.

Are you in the emergency services Mungler, hence your reason for exceeding speed limits ?

Have you attended numerous fatalities, caused by excessive speed ... have you looked inside an up turned car and had to count 2-3 times to work out just how many bodies are actually inside the vehicle, and thought which limb does the belong to ?

Ive seen grown men crying inconsolably at the scene of an accident, making every effort to convince others, they are not to blame for the carnage .. but prior they had a ' well everyone does it attitude ' honestly l wasn't speeding , lm not really sure what happened attitude, are they okay in the other cars, will they be okay ? .. whilst sobbing .... Mungler, l hope your speeding doesn't kill someone through careless driving through excessive speed ... lve come across people with your attitude so often over the years ... not for a minute do l believe you will slow down .. your just one of the thousands out there, that raises the risk for others

 

Who knew there was such carnage driving 40 in a 30?

 

That means every day on every road there must be up turned cars and bodies everywhere. A trip to the newsagents touching 39 mph and if you were a cat you would be down to 8 of your lives?

 

On the autobahns of Germany it must be like the killing fields. Who knows why they allow it?

 

It's BS. It's not speed that kills it's in appropriate speed.

 

We can't drive everywhere at 20 mph

[Longchalk]

Whilst speed limits are there reasons of both safety, and good neighbourliness (try sleeping in a room that faces onto our village street and count the knobs that roar through at 60 odd in the small hours), the way they are policed has more than element of revenue collection about it. I was done for 48 in a 40 last year, on a long straight stretch with no houses. Quite simply I shouldn't have been speeding, but I was in string of traffic and that was the speed everyone was doing. I had just momentarily "switched off". No complaints, I did the awareness course. Given the choice of about 4 dates, there were 20+ people in the class, and nearly all had been caught in the same spot, on the same day as me. Maybe you say its a black spot, maybe you say it's a nice little earner!

 

The thing is, if speeding fines were abolished, and all cameras turned off, the revenue gap would be plugged in other ways. Don't image that they would say "Oh well, we'll manage without that money then"... . Motorists would just end up paying higher tax, or road tolls, or some other way of recovering this budget... At the moment the good thing is that it's entirely optional... Don't want to pay? Don't speed then, and let someone else pay on your behalf.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Longchalk

[Kes]

Just so you know what is out there,

Being part of the problem and an advocate of higher speeds (generally) does not look like a sociable approach, or perhaps of 'temperate habits'.

Killing someone in a road crash where you are significantly at fault ( high speed) is inevitably dangerous driving - what would that say about a person found guilty.

 

I sincerely hope none of yours meet someone who has similar views in a dangerous situation. The extra miles per hour are not likely to help, as you can see.

I am sure you can see that 3 per day DEAD is better than more than 6 DEAD per day, ignoring the serious, life-changing injuries.

Lets just do our own thing but think about what might happen and pray its not us or ours.

 

 

Great Britain has one of the best road safety records in Europe and the world. Despite massive increases in traffic over the last few decades, the number of people killed on our roads has fallen from around 5,500 per year in the mid 1980s to well under 1,754 in 2012. However, this still means that five people die on Britain's roads every day.

Reported Road Casualties in Great Britain, 2012
Killed 1,754
Seriously Injured 23,039
Slightly Injured 170,930
All 195,723

These figures are for road accidents in which someone was injured on a public road and which were reported to the police. Although virtually all fatal road accidents are reported to the police, it is known that many involving injury are not reported, even when some of those involved required medical or hospital treatment. It is estimated that the total number of road casualties in Great Britain is between 660,000 and 880,000 per year, with a best estimate of around 730,000. This includes an estimated 80,000 people who are seriously injured.

Common causes of these unnecessary tragedies include:

Speeding
Around 400 people a year are killed in crashes in which someone exceeds the speed limit or drives too fast for the conditions.

Drink Driving
Around 280 people die a year in crashes in which someone was over the legal drink drive limit.

Seat Belt Wearing
Around 200 lives each year could be saved if everyone always wore their seat belt.

Careless Driving

More than 300 deaths a year involve someone being "careless, reckless or in a hurry", and a further 120 involve "aggressive driving";

[spanj]

I suggest the more righteous amongst us should adopt this method, it should stop them losing their ticket

 

 

And that is also where the 30mph speed limit originated, a time when they believed exceeding this speed would liquify your organs. Scientific, well thought out, rational, NOT.

Edited May 26, 2014 by spanj

[Kes]

 

And that is alkso where the 30mph speed limit originated, a time when the believed exceeding this speed would liquify your organs. Scientific, well thought out, rational, NOT.

How fast can you run? Come on thats daft.

[Mungler]

Apparently 100 people die each year choking on bic pen lids and 150 from a peanut intolerance.

 

Statistics on their own are meaningless and we don't know if drink, drugs, tiredness, vehicle condition, age of driver etc are a factor - I bet they are. It's not necessarily "speed" that is the factor.

 

If the government dropped the speed limit to 20 mph there would be people arguing to drop the limit to 10 mph to further drive down apparent road casualties - where does it end? Lets ban all cars and then there would be zero casualties (anyone heard this line of argument before?....)

 

40 in a 30 in the right conditions is not intemperate habits, it's not dangerous and it's often keeping up with the traffic. The road I use everyday to work used to be 60 it was reduced to 40 and now down to 30 - there were no casualties on that road, so I wonder why the limit was reduced? Funnily enough, everyone going down that road does 40 and keeps an eye out for the police mobile speed trap once every 2 months. The self righteous who do 35 mph get over-taken - I saw a white golf do it only yesterday, I didn't follow because it wasn't safe. There we go.

[spanj]

How fast can you run? Come on thats daft.

I agree, its totally daft

[hoggysreels]

Mungler .. you have the attitude of a 17year old that past his driving test 3 weeks ago, and knows and has seen all there is to see.

 

What driving qualifications do you have that deems you the right and ability to purposely admit to intentionally exceed the speed limits on UK roads ... ?

 

Its like listening to a know it all youth reading your posts regards to your driving habits .. personally your welfare doesnt concern me, though other peoples does. Should you kill a child driving through a 20mph speed limit zone and hit a child, l hope they throw the book at you ... you should be ashamed of your attitude !!

[Mungler]

Well funny, so you advocate 20 mph zones?

 

That says it all.

[al4x]

There is more to the argument, I live in a 30 where the average speed is 40 plus and at night you get up to 70 plus. Really it's a bloody nuisance, noise is also markedly different between 30 and 40 especially when it's raining. It's a built up area people live in it have to cross the road and even pulling out gets dangerous at times. It's wide and people just think it's ok, we have had speed gun operators on the odd weekend but it makes **** all difference.

[Kes]

Apparently 100 people die each year choking on bic pen lids and 150 from a peanut intolerance.

 

Statistics on their own are meaningless and we don't know if drink, drugs, tiredness, vehicle condition, age of driver etc are a factor - I bet they are. It's not necessarily "speed" that is the factor.

 

If the government dropped the speed limit to 20 mph there would be people arguing to drop the limit to 10 mph to further drive down apparent road casualties - where does it end? Lets ban all cars and then there would be zero casualties (anyone heard this line of argument before?....)

 

40 in a 30 in the right conditions is not intemperate habits, it's not dangerous and it's often keeping up with the traffic. The road I use everyday to work used to be 60 it was reduced to 40 and now down to 30 - there were no casualties on that road, so I wonder why the limit was reduced? Funnily enough, everyone going down that road does 40 and keeps an eye out for the police mobile speed trap once every 2 months. The self righteous who do 35 mph get over-taken - I saw a white golf do it only yesterday, I didn't follow because it wasn't safe. There we go.

Mungler - my other posts said speed limits should be set properly. I also said that only excess speed of a high order should become a factor taken into consideration. Communities dont like high speeds - I explained why (local politics), hence reduced speed limits where there are no casualties (incorrectly set limit in my view).

How you can say statistics on their own are meaningless defeats me - the quote I posted was from ROSPA., a fairly reliable source - you need details they will give them to you. Fact 1750 DIE and 80,000 are seriously injured on our roads each year. Rospa says the single biggest cause is speeding and inappropriate speed. I think those figures have some meaning. You however dont say in which country or how old or whether self administered, or accident, in the home or office, for your stat about BIC pens, nor how many use them.

At least I have habeous corpus on my side, I've seen them.

[poontang]

Like other Emergency service workers on PW, l claim exemption regards speed limits (and certain other road rules and regulations) whilst responding to emergencies, or conveying to hospital.

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting.

 

Let me ask you a question. If you're doing 40 in a 30 zone and a deaf child walks out from between two cars in front of you, how quickly can you safely stop your ambulance compared to a decent, well maintained car?

[Nial]

The problem is that speed limits are so badly set that they are universally ignored.

 

If they were seen to be realistically set then they might be adhered to.

 

There are many instances where a 20 limit is appropriate, however this needs to be matched with raising

ridiculous 30 limits on wide open roads.

 

Also, driving for the conditions is what's important. Is driving at 30mph down a road with cars parked at

both sides of the road and a group of small kids on the pavement sensible?

 

Similarly, doing 40 on a wide trunk road at night with no cars parked and no pedestrians in sight is hardly likely to cause carnage.

 

IMHO.

 

Nial

[Fisheruk]

If you go down the road of not seeing the Policeman, you are adding "Driving without due care and attention" to the speeding offence. Quit whilst you are ahead.

+1

[djrwood]

Apparently 100 people die each year choking on bic pen lids and 150 from a peanut intolerance.

 

Statistics on their own are meaningless and we don't know if drink, drugs, tiredness, vehicle condition, age of driver etc are a factor - I bet they are. It's not necessarily "speed" that is the factor.

 

If the government dropped the speed limit to 20 mph there would be people arguing to drop the limit to 10 mph to further drive down apparent road casualties - where does it end? Lets ban all cars and then there would be zero casualties (anyone heard this line of argument before?....)

 

40 in a 30 in the right conditions is not intemperate habits, it's not dangerous and it's often keeping up with the traffic. The road I use everyday to work used to be 60 it was reduced to 40 and now down to 30 - there were no casualties on that road, so I wonder why the limit was reduced? Funnily enough, everyone going down that road does 40 and keeps an eye out for the police mobile speed trap once every 2 months. The self righteous who do 35 mph get over-taken - I saw a white golf do it only yesterday, I didn't follow because it wasn't safe. There we go.

That was probably me in my white golf!

 

On a serious note speed limits were set many years ago based on the distance it took some old tank (a Granada I think), to stop at the different speeds. My 2014 vw golf will stop far quicker

 

I know this is not a justifiable reason to speed and am not saying for one second it should be. But it should be considered by all the do-gooders on here. You're the same people that sit at 50 on dual carriageways that cause Larry's to enter lane 2 to get past, or sit in the middle lane on motorways as you think it's safer!

 

What about all these country lanes that are 1 car wide but covered by a national speed limit? You don't thrash round them at 60 as you assess the risk and drive appropriately. So that pretty much destroys people on here's argument that the powers that be have set speed limits based on the area/road!

 

It hadn't even dawned on me that I was speeding when I was caught, as I was poodling along and based on my surroundings would never have thought I was in a 30.

[Mungler]

The problem is that speed limits are so badly set that they are universally ignored.

 

If they were seen to be realistically set then they might be adhered to.

 

There are many instances where a 20 limit is appropriate, however this needs to be matched with raising

ridiculous 30 limits on wide open roads.

 

Also, driving for the conditions is what's important. Is driving at 30mph down a road with cars parked at

both sides of the road and a group of small kids on the pavement sensible?

 

Similarly, doing 40 on a wide trunk road at night with no cars parked and no pedestrians in sight is hardly likely to cause carnage.

 

IMHO.

 

Nial

 

 

This is *it*. This is what it is all about and what I was failing to convey.

 

Tack on the irritation when the safe road gets hit by the speed trap team and you have pure revenue creation and collection.

 

Re: statistics - the point I was trying to make was that if speed was a factor in an accident, it may not be the determining factor. Being drunk, on drugs, no having a license all of these may have actually been the determining factor.

[djrwood]

+1

I didn't see the policeman holding the gun as he was hidden behind a parked car. Read the post.

 

Of course I saw him when I was about 100 yds away as he walked into road with his hand up to get me to stop.

 

The reason I started this thread was to find out whether the way they caught me, car parked down side road out of view and cop hidden behind parked car, was legal, as I'm sure someone once told me that they have to be in clear view.

 

With a little research I've found out this is wrong and that they can do whatever they like.

 

I'm glad there's so many safe drivers that stick to the speed limits religiously, as the PW collective has clearly shown. It's just a shame when I'm driving my 40k miles a year, I don't see many of them on the road!

[Mungler]

I'm glad there's so many safe drivers that stick to the speed limits religiously, as the PW collective has clearly shown. It's just a shame when I'm driving my 40k miles a year, I don't see many of them on the road!

 

Mate, they are only out at the weekends or in summer pulling a caravan

[kdubya]

 

I'm glad there's so many safe drivers that stick to the speed limits religiously, as the PW collective has clearly shown. It's just a shame when I'm driving my 40k miles a year, I don't see many of them on the road!

I seem to see them rather often, you can tell who they are as they are usually sat in the outside (overtaking lane) of a dual carriageway doing 60 and with a line of cars up their harris.

 

KW

Edited May 26, 2014 by kdubya

[Kes]

 

 

This is *it*. This is what it is all about and what I was failing to convey.

 

Tack on the irritation when the safe road gets hit by the speed trap team and you have pure revenue creation and collection.

 

Re: statistics - the point I was trying to make was that if speed was a factor in an accident, it may not be the determining factor. Being drunk, on drugs, no having a license all of these may have actually been the determining factor.

ROSPA stats exclude the drink drivers and under the influence - read it -speed is the single biggest factor - no if or buts.

 

Properly set speed limits are a pre-cursor to harsh enforcement but a speed limit is a legally enforceable statute like robbery (not saying its criminal) - with a vocal public, can the police refuse to control either?

Nor is it their responsibility to convince intelligent people that they (the police) are obliged to do this and take the revenue. At least they try to educate us (speed awareness)

As for the Ford Granada setting speed limits, absolute utter tosh, wouldnt a racing driver make a difference at the wheel ? So its not about the characteristics of some vehicle but the DRIVER ?

 

Its about the majority (85%) of drivers driving at a speed they KNOW they can react in a particular area with crossing movements/peds etc. Where they consistently fail to make that judgement correctly

(clusters of accidents) either the speed limit is changed or engineering measures applied (e.g.banned turns). I would guess a few limits have been changed since 1960's. The practical capacity of roads has more than doubled in that time so some people do surveys now and again.

When speed limits can be enforced by civilian contractors then I would go along with the revenue raising concerns but police numbers are not based on speed control revenue. Ask your local Police and Crime Commissioner.

But please dont dress prejudice up as fact.

[wymberley]

There is more to the argument, I live in a 30 where the average speed is 40 plus and at night you get up to 70 plus. Really it's a bloody nuisance, noise is also markedly different between 30 and 40 especially when it's raining. It's a built up area people live in it have to cross the road and even pulling out gets dangerous at times. It's wide and people just think it's ok, we have had speed gun operators on the odd weekend but it makes **** all difference.

+1 except my road is not wide. Had the Ranger smashed when I parked it in the road for a couple of minutes and some clown realised too late that the oncoming car had no need to give way and wasn't going to and that he had nowhere else to go except into my truck. I pull in and back out (the drive has an uphill slope and the rain water will then drain out of the pick-up). You learn to judge how far away a car travelling at a sensible speed needs to be so that you can back out without interfering with it. What gets on my wick is when doing so, the buffoon that was said distance away but was actually doing 60+ drives to within inches of you as you pull away. This simply means that he has to travel the next half a mile at some 20mph. Wrong of me I know but hey ho!

[kdubya]

hope non of you self righteous lot are doing any decorating this weekend and using ladders if so be afraid be very afraid?

 

Oh and a tip for the non IT savies click on the chart and it will expand.

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/oct/28/mortality-statistics-causes-death-england-wales-2010#zoomed-picture

Edited May 26, 2014 by kdubya

[Mungler]

ROSPA stats exclude the drink drivers and under the influence - read it -speed is the single biggest factor - no if or buts.

 

 

You got a link for that?

 

http://www.rospa.com/faqs/detail.aspx?faq=296

 

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/adviceandinformation/general/

 

These two don't confirm other factors being excluded so as to determine speed as the single cause. Indeed, what about road conditions, other road users, faulty vehicle, drink, drugs, bad weather, incompetence and so on.

hope non of you self righteous lot are doing any decorating this weekend and using ladders if so be afraid be very afraid?

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/oct/28/mortality-statistics-causes-death-england-wales-2010#zoomed-picture

 

Indeed, 15,000 people die each year due to alcohol. I am not sure if those stats take account of drunk driving, drink induced violence, drink induced daft behaviour and so on.

 

There's more to get lathered up about than 40 in a 30.

[Kes]

 

You got a link for that?

 

http://www.rospa.com/faqs/detail.aspx?faq=296

 

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/adviceandinformation/general/

 

These two don't confirm other factors being excluded so as to determine speed as the single cause. Indeed, what about road conditions, other road users, faulty vehicle, drink, drugs, bad weather, incompetence and so on.

 

Indeed, 15,000 people die each year due to alcohol. I am not sure if those stats take account of drunk driving, drink induced violence, drink induced daft behaviour and so on.

 

There's more to get lathered up about than 40 in a 30.

You arent going to accept any other viewpoint so there is no point continuing this but I suggest you add up who was killed in RTA's for what reason - you will see that the causitive factor totals do not include other causitive factors, that would not add up to the actual recorded totals, so, when I said above

Speeding

Around 400 people a year are killed in crashes in which someone exceeds the speed limit or drives too fast for the conditions.

Drink Driving

280 people

The first category does not include the second and so on.

Just slow down or stop moaning about speed limits, or campaign for reasonably set ones.