HDAV Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 SO having got into to trap shooting and having helped to swell the pot... I have an issue, the day of the shoot is fine but 24-36 hours later i have real pain in shoulder and neck.... now it could be unrelated to shooting or aggravated by it not sure. Gun fit is reasonable, gun has trap recoil pad (miroku) and i have a Reactar pad in my vest, shooting a mix of express power blue and hull superfast. Shot 50 yesterday and now in real discomfort and getting worse. My options as i see it are: 1: stop shooting :( 2: shoot softer shells 3:try some anti recoil options starting with an isis green pad and running upto a full isis/PFS..... Now anything i have missed? Oh and before anyone suggests it, it isnt my Juan King arm............. (I only shoot left handed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 See an osteopath or GP and get a medical opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Never mind the cartridge brand, what load ? If 28g, you could try dropping to 24, considerably less kick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 #2 Shoot love velocity or low weight. Try low recoil shells trainer loafs or the intnl 24g loads. Fast shells are not recoil friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 If you haven't got a neck or shoulder issue get your gun fit looked at you know a good man on trap gunfit in the West Country. If that's not the issue try the 24 gr option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) See an osteopath or GP and get a medical opinion. Might do that, dont hold much hope for GP tbh... If you haven't got a neck or shoulder issue get your gun fit looked at you know a good man on trap gunfit in the West Country. If that's not the issue try the 24 gr option. Been and seen him its as good as it will get unless i go for an adjustable comb, never had this before the last 6 months but is getting worse. Edited June 23, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Seriously, if you have pain - see a doctor. Changing cartridge or gun fit may well be masking a more serious underlying problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Might do that, dont hold much hope for GP tbh... Been and seen him its as good as it will get unless i go for an adjustable comb, never had this before the last 6 months but is getting worse. Try an osteopath - they can offer good advice and therapies. They won't break the bank either. In parallel to that, insist that your GP give you a referral to a consultant. You may well wait, but they can X-ray or MRI and find out what's going on. Never ignore pain like that - you could end up much worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Try an osteopath - they can offer good advice and therapies. They won't break the bank either. In parallel to that, insist that your GP give you a referral to a consultant. You may well wait, but they can X-ray or MRI and find out what's going on. Never ignore pain like that - you could end up much worse! Good advice, I know of an osteopath so will get an appointment and take it from there I have a fortnight of no shooting so will take the opportunity to see how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Don't want to freak you out, but here is the experience of a shooter in the US - I follow his youtube channel. A bit long winded, but persevere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 I find superfasts very punchy, I am recoil sensitive to a point so I switched to 21g comp X.....never had any bother since People laff at light loads sayin there are not manly enough/dont pattern well/cant hit long range targets horses for courses, my cartridges let me shoot so I use them....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Is it age related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Try a semi auto to reduce the recoil. You could put a soft lambs wool pad in your shoulder for trap, some of the Olympic trap shooters have this type of stuff. You can be fine for years then recoil can affect you as you age, flinching is another recoil problem that's hard to get over. Try a slow cart of 24g or the 21g comp x. Atb figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Pack in shooting trap for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 All of the above suggestions + if you have an ISIS pad give him a ring ... He had similar problems and that's why he developped the pad and he's got plenty of the info and research etc. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Does any other type of shooting give you the pain, such as gun down disciplines? If not its gun fit, and too punchy shells, if you are adapting to the gun rather than the gun fitting it can give some serious pain problems, too much cast can be a major for shoulder and neck pain, the gun slaps you about, a parallel comb and also moving the comb across instead of casting the stock can make a big difference, as can your stance and mount. Go and see a reputable coach and get checked out, if the gun doesnt come to exactly same place with an eyes closed mount, 100% of the time, it doesnt fit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have you tried different guns I have guns that are animals with some cartridges yet others that are fine with the same cartridge.i put some 36gram through a diamond pigeon and it kicked like hell yet the same cartridge through a dt10 was absolutely fine.so many factors come into play with shooting.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) I think I'll swap back to my sporter next time out it may be the fit of the trap gun it's not quite enough cast at the face/comb for me so would need an adjustable comb fitted (reputable coach). Osteopath booked for tomorrow ....... Edited June 24, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 I think I'll swap back to my sporter next time out it may be the fit of the trap gun it's not quite enough cast at the face/comb for me so would need an adjustable comb fitted (reputable coach). Osteopath booked for tomorrow ....... Everything has to be right if you're in any way recoil sensitive so agreed things like fit, cartridge speed and shot weight and even the way you mount may have a bearing but two things I would get done either way is to change the pad on your Miroku for something like a Green Pad, thicker the better and preferably get some sort of recoil reducer device and again Recoil Systems Isis is pretty damn good although if you're prepared to shell out up to £7-800 and import from the US there are better versions available. The standard Mirook Trap pads offer little more than reduce the risk of accidentally slipping the gun being basic agricultural rubber at the end of the day. One thing that almost always gets overlooked is the role that the cheek has to play in absorbing a certain amount of recoil, in your case it could very well be that just that little bit too much is being transmitted through to your neck causing problems. Dave Izzard at RS also do a floating comb design which in essence allows the gun to free-recoil beneath your face. The very best US systems also have this as the option 2 of their designs; 1 being the standard buffer built into the stock to absorb the rearward shock of the pad/movement, 2 includes the said comb conversion. It will also pay to wrap the comb in a thin sheet of sorbothane which can be bought in 3mm 5/6mm thicknesses, it doesn't sound much but it will have a marked effect on the overall package. Remember if a 3mm pad could make a 10% reduction in cheek, hence neck trauma/fatigue with one cartridge then it will do so with a 100 cartridges which may well add up to place you in the comfort threshold. Finally don't be afraid to add weight to your Trap gun, it's not like you'll be carrying it for miles, in the US where they shoot mainly Trap targets some of the better guys have guns between 11 to 13 lbs! That will make a serious difference to the guns recoil cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) It's never been an issue before ill give recoil systems a call a d see what they say. Edited June 24, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 was your gun fit with or without the recoil pad/pads/system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 After many years of shooting and never suffering from recoil (as my dear old mother used to say "where there is no sense ,then there is no feeling ") I started to get head aches and sever neck pains when out shooting . The pain was so bad I thought that I may have to give up shooting . To cut a long storey short I bought a Urika 2 with the kick off system . I never ever get a head ache when using the gun and have on a couple of occations shot over 200 shells in a session at pigeons . Without a doubt the smoothest gun I have ever shot . No recoil at all ,just a gentle shove in the shoulder , fabulous gun . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 was your gun fit with or without the recoil pad/pads/system? Gun fit was with gun as is standard miroku pad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Hopefully a chat with Dave @ Isis and/or ostoeo will get you on the right track or at least give you a pointer in the right direction to help. Problem is that the recoil may only be aggravating something else that would need sorting first... Diagnosis thro crowd sourcing may be a bit like gun fit by the net ... Good luck with it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have a session of sports massage and if that helps you've got some sort of neck issue. Do not see a chiropractor what ever you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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