big bad lindz Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I may have the chance to do some beating & picking up on a local estate for this season. It is my understanding that I will be paid for this and is taxable. I think its around £30-50 for the day. As I am currently employed offshore and already in the higher tax bracket I don't particularly wont the hassle of the paperwork and a fluctuating tax code. So I was thinking if I could donate my payment for the day(s) to a charity. I am not bothered about getting a payment as I just would like the opportunity to work my dog(s) and hopefully get out on a beaters day at the end of the season. Any advice would be grateful. BBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I would speak with the estate first and find out what arrangements they operate. For example, some estates will have a special arrangement with HMRC where they pay the tax but the majority will not. If you accept payment, no matter what you do with it afterwards, you will have to declare it on your tax return. Perhaps the best option would be to ask the estate to make a donation directly to your chosen charity, by doing so it would not involve you and you would not be receiving any taxable benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ask if you can beat gratis on return for vermin shooting outside the season! I got one of my perms this way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Just tell them you will do it for free . Carnt imagine they will hold you down and force the money into your sky rocket . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Just tell them you will do it for free . Carnt imagine they will hold you down and force the money into your sky rocket . Harnser Yes - Dont accept payment. Simple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 if the guns have a whip round I understand its not taxable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie R Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I've thought about this and if the keeper gives everyone a raffle ticket and then an envelope with a prize would this not circumvent the issue as its a prize draw. Everyone's a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 if the guns have a whip round I understand its not taxable. I've thought about this and if the keeper gives everyone a raffle ticket and then an envelope with a prize would this not circumvent the issue as its a prize draw. Everyone's a winner. Is this how you get paid for your day jobs? If these idea's actually worked, everyone would be paid this way, tax free.............. If this thread was about employees in any other industry not declaring income and not paying tax, I'm sure the reply's would be very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie R Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Not sure of the inland revenue definition of an employee but if you "work" for only one shoot then I can see your point but if you are turning adhoc then isn't this more akin to self employment in which case surely the costs of travel, clothing, cleaning etc can be deducted against any income. Personally still think the raffle ticket idea sounds plausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Not sure of the inland revenue definition of an employee but if you "work" for only one shoot then I can see your point but if you are turning adhoc then isn't this more akin to self employment in which case surely the costs of travel, clothing, cleaning etc can be deducted against any income. Personally still think the raffle ticket idea sounds plausible. HMRC's long standing view is that beaters are generally employees, due to the working relationship between the shoot/gamekeeper and the beater. Re the raffle tickets, money from the tooth fairy isn't taxable, perhaps you could get her to deliver the "prizes"........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyb79 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 My shoot offers either un-taxed payment which needs to be declared on a self-assessment, or alternatively they pay expenses at a set rate which isn't taxable, which is for mileage, use of dogs etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 My shoot offers either un-taxed payment which needs to be declared on a self-assessment, or alternatively they pay expenses at a set rate which isn't taxable, which is for mileage, use of dogs etc. The untaxed payment is fine, there are special rules that allow shoots to pay beaters without deducting tax. As you say, the payment is taxable and needs to be declared. Assuming you are a beater, you can't claim mileage for your journey from home to the shoot, but if you do any mileage at the shoot in your own vehicle, you can be paid 40p per mile tax free. You can't claim expenses for use of a dog either, so if you don't do any genuine mileage, the payment will still be taxable. Just calling a payment "expenses" doesn't make it tax free The rules for picker up's are different as they can genuinely claim to be self employed. The payment from the shoot is still taxable, but they are able to offset more expenses against their income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyb79 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Should've clarified, I am a picker up, the beaters are paid differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 You can negate the tax liability with travel dog food and housing the dog. Take the money Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Take the money and say thank you. What you get paid for is worth every penny so keep it your name will be john smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Take the money and say thank you. What you get paid for is worth every penny so keep it your name will be john smith That's good advice, give a false name and commit tax fraud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 That's good advice, give a false name and commit tax fraud? You beat me to it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 We should have a vote who gets paid for beating and doesn't declare it. Have to say I'm on the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta06 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 I've thought about this and if the keeper gives everyone a raffle ticket and then an envelope with a prize would this not circumvent the issue as its a prize draw. Everyone's a winner. In short, no - you are wilfully trying to circumvent the tax rules, which can get you into trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Does getting a tip have to be declared? I.e game keepers tips? Like with tips for waiters/waitresses. Couldn't the guns just 'tip' the beaters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Think tips if given regularly are taxable as payment for services given. So basically employed as far as tax is. Think for beating most of us would gladly say nowt. It costs us what we get or more. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Does getting a tip have to be declared? I.e game keepers tips? Like with tips for waiters/waitresses. Couldn't the guns just 'tip' the beaters? http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/EIM07900.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 You can negate the tax liability with travel dog food and housing the dog. Take the money Only if you are registered as self employed and putting those costs through the business which receives the payment for beating. Either do it for nothing, or declare it. I can see why HMRC are clamping down!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta06 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes, tips too. In fact almost any form of remuneration - even payments in kind!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes, tips too. In fact almost any form of remuneration - even payments in kind!!!!! Blimey, they have really clamped down now days eh. But it doesn't stop many of the local travelling fraternity from doing jobs in cash (Especially driveways) un declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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