Dekers Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I do not doubt this incident took place, and even a spent case hitting anyone in a demonstration is far from good, but there is an awful lot of assumption/speculation going on here from a media story which is inevitably sensationalist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 This happend inside a room.there shouldnt have been any blank or live ammo in the weapon.the officer has operated the weapon and it has fired.clearly a negligent discharge.if someones at a clay ground and they get hit by flying brass then its their own fault for standing at the side of that weapon wherr they shouldnt be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 This happend inside a room.there shouldnt have been any blank or live ammo in the weapon.the officer has operated the weapon and it has fired.clearly a negligent discharge.if someones at a clay ground and they get hit by flying brass then its their own fault for standing at the side of that weapon wherr they shouldnt be. Unless the room happens to be a range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 This happend inside a room.there shouldnt have been any blank or live ammo in the weapon.the officer has operated the weapon and it has fired.clearly a negligent discharge.if someones at a clay ground and they get hit by flying brass then its their own fault for standing at the side of that weapon wherr they shouldnt be. I know full well from the old pistol shooting days just how far a 9mm casing can fly, and it can fly in an unexpected direction - especially if on a proper range, and with the sidewall partitions. In that case, it is entirely possible for a casing to hit someone 10-15 feet behind you For you to say that if someone is at a clay ground shooting, and gets struck be an empty cartridge, then they are standing in the wrong place, really shows a great lack of knowledge on your part. I suggest you go and shoot some ABT or DTL on a squad basis. If shooting next to a semi-auto shooter, then it is highly likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Was at a place called sherwood lodge.(force HQ)i feel sorry for the cop too i bet he wished the ground would have swallow him up. Edited November 7, 2014 by deadeye18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Only time ive been hit by brass was on exercise on a night ambush so couldnt be helped.never been hit on a range as the spacing between blokes is always sufficient.as for clay grounds if your using a semi and someone comes beside you then tell em to move its mot a big problem.if they still stand there then theyre obviously retarded. Edited November 7, 2014 by deadeye18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Only time ive been hit by brass was on exercise on a night ambush so couldnt be helped.never been hit on a range as the spacing between blokes is always sufficient.as for clay grounds if your using a semi and someone comes beside you then tell em to move its mot a big problem.if they still stand there then theyre obviously retarded. Have you ever even shot ABT or DTL ? When you are shooting, the next person is standing 8-10 feet to the right of you, and about 2-3 feet behind you. A empty case from a semi-auto will fly that far, even if it bounces off the concrete first. In fact, by your argument, if they still stand there, and you fire, and the empty case hits them, then YOU are the one who has had a ND, nothing to do with them being retarded Edited November 7, 2014 by robbiep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 No i dont shoot abt or dtl.if you have warned them about it and theyre fine with the brass flying their way then thats fine.if you cant work out whos going where between you and they get their knickers in a twist still then thats their problem.i generally move if ive got things flying towards me in any situation.not daft enough to hang around and keep getting hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 So, you start off by saying that if someone gets hit by ANY sort of casing, under ANY circumstances, then it's a ND. You then go on to say that if you've warned someone, and they still stand there, and you fire, and they are hit by a casing, then it's their own fault. But by your earlier statement, it's still an ND by YOU. Could you make up your mind ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I never said getting hit by brass was an ND.i said it didnt matter what kind of round it was i.e. (live or blank) the cop operated the weapon,fired so clearly an nd.only time i mentioned brass was when you brought it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadbreakfast Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I wounder if I could just apologise and say it not happen again if on a inspection I get my rifle out and fire one into the floor. It's bad gun handling and shouldn't happen. Not only was the gun not made safe after training (unloaded) but wasn't checked and made safe when was took out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 I wounder if I could just apologise and say it not happen again if on a inspection I get my rifle out and fire one into the floor. It's bad gun handling and shouldn't happen. Not only was the gun not made safe after training (unloaded) but wasn't checked and made safe when was took out. ok no problem.now go and sit on the naughty step for 12 minutes and off to bed with no supper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 even better: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Male chicken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 My favourite comment from the dea agent shooting himself is where he tells the class JUST BEFORE shooting himself that he is the only person there responsible enough to handle the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 My favourite comment from the dea agent shooting himself is where he tells the class JUST BEFORE shooting himself that he is the only person there responsible enough to handle the gun. +1 on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike737 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 But he is American... USA cops and their guns... Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Again why so much fuss about this incident? Acciidents do happen - how many of your have cut themselves on a knife? Or caught it in the zip?? Far far more than there have been gun-related incidents I suspect. This is all part of being human - we make mistakes and some smart **** then makes a huge fuss about it as if is has never happened before. Let's move on to something interesting chaps (and chapesses). With that sort of blasé attitude to firearms safety, I hope you don't have any. You would make a good firearms instruction in the army or police. OK chaps try not to have any negligent discharges with your firearms, but if you do don't worry about it these things happen Edited November 7, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister22 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 reminds me of the kenny everett diy sketch with blood spurting everywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) and now this all by the same force who gave us this ... take a look at the officer in the photo.. http://www.chad.co.uk/news/armed-police-storm-hucknall-town-centre-1-6497726 Edited November 7, 2014 by fruitloop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 He'll ave his eye out with that! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 're the last post, what you won't see is that the gun is pointing to the side of his head, you'll notice lots of police are trained to carry them like then when safe. By safe I mean uncocked with no round chambered. U can see that if u pay attention and notice he is looking at something else in his other hand. Perspective is important in a picture. 're an Nd, one is too many however I have seen many in the forces and even more on civil ranges and especially the clay grounds, clearly everyone here is perfect and far better trained than anyone else,I remember being trained when I got my sgc, oh wait no i wasn't trained oh well let's not let that get in the way. Simply put we don't know enough to comment on the circumstances and until we don't I won't comment further, I'm sure some no one on here know all the facts, probably before before they happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister22 Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 he is only seeing if it is loaded. problem? what problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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