matone Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 We don`t seem to be doing well by being involved in the Euromess,so why be too worried about what may happen if we leave........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 We don`t seem to be doing well by being involved in the Euromess,so why be too worried about what may happen if we leave........... This is also a fair point. In fact, when questioned on UKIP in general my comment is usually that whilst we can't be sure what we would be letting ourselves in for, can they be any worse? Labour sent us into recession and war, the Tories sold us down the river... why not give this new bloke a chance and if he makes a hash of it who cares, the others would've done the same anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I'd like out ASAP , I guess we will only know if its the right thing in ten years. Switzerland seems to do ok without the EU but surrounded by it. Excellent posts grrclark. I believe Switzerland had to sign up to most of the EU trade laws, including the free movement if people, to be allowed to trade freely. I read somewhere that they want to limit immigration but can't without renegotiating several of their legally binding treaties. As I said earlier it isn't as simple as in or out. The Swiss also contribute to the EU budget without having any say on what happens to it. If we left the EU we would still probably be required to have free movement of people and to contribute to the budget if we wanted to trade. I've not heard what UKIP think about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I believe Switzerland had to sign up to most of the EU trade laws, including the free movement if people, to be allowed to trade freely. I read somewhere that they want to limit immigration but can't without renegotiating several of their legally binding treaties. As I said earlier it isn't as simple as in or out. The Swiss also contribute to the EU budget without having any say on what happens to it. If we left the EU we would still probably be required to have free movement of people and to contribute to the budget if we wanted to trade. I've not heard what UKIP think about that? It's really not a simple argument at all I guess the benefit of having a debate, should a referendum be called, is that we will all be an awful lot more educated about the realities, although I suspect it wont really get any clearer and many people will still vote based on emotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 It's really not a simple argument at all I guess the benefit of having a debate, should a referendum be called, is that we will all be an awful lot more educated about the realities, although I suspect it wont really get any clearer and many people will still vote based on emotion. Not if the Scottish In/Out debate is anything to go by... Salmond couldn't provide any answers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Not if the Scottish In/Out debate is anything to go by... Salmond couldn't provide any answers! That really is a hugely pertinent point Munzy, there was a real shortage of credible answers from anyone and whatever was provided was shot down by both sides. It would be exactly the same in this respect too, there would be claim and counter claim of subterfuge and scare mongering and all sorts of nefarious deeds. For those that are prepared to question beyond what's presented at face value and go beyond the headlines I daresay that there is enlightenment to be had, but it will be a long and hard slog. Edited November 24, 2014 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sable Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 out as fast as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 The UK outside of the EU will be like a eunach in a harem. Instead of a choir boy in a brothel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sable Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Time to get out of corrupt EU and go our own way .We the British people do not want to be part of EE peasant countries.We are losing our culture and our language but more important are the lost jobs for OUR young people. unskilled work is not there for those who do not have academic qualifications.dose anyone agree with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulus Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Time to get out of corrupt EU and go our own way .We the British people do not want to be part of EE peasant countries.We are losing our culture and our language but more important are the lost jobs for OUR young people. unskilled work is not there for those who do not have academic qualifications.dose anyone agree with me ukip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 ukip All aboard the bus, next stop freedom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Time to get out of corrupt EU and go our own way .We the British people do not want to be part of EE peasant countries.We are losing our culture and our language but more important are the lost jobs for OUR young people. unskilled work is not there for those who do not have academic qualifications.dose anyone agree with me Sort of - but to be fair much of our young offspring won't do menial work anyway. When the unions drove wage and working conditions too far the employers went south - as did the frame of mind to work on a shop floor etc. Out of curiosity - how many young people do you know who will fill sandwiches in a factory - make pork pies - or pick vegetables on a farm for example. I want out of meddling Europe too but there will be a price for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 This topic and the "time to get out of the corrupt EU" topic have been merged as they were both started by the same poster and were running concurrently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sable Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Sort of - but to be fair much of our young offspring won't do menial work anyway. When the unions drove wage and working conditions too far the employers went south - as did the frame of mind to work on a shop floor etc. Out of curiosity - how many young people do you know who will fill sandwiches in a factory - make pork pies - or pick vegetables on a farm for example. I want out of meddling Europe too but there will be a price for that. after 6 months on the dole withdraw benifits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I am for out......but there needs to be a non political workable plan to address the negative issues that will be a legacy from the EU. No matter how emotive they might be. We also need to start making things again and not relying on service industries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) Time to get out of [the] corrupt EU and go our own way .We the British people do not want to be part of [the] EEU peasant countries.[space] We are losing our culture and our language[,] but more important are the lost jobs for OUR young people.[...] unskilled work is not there for those who do not have academic qualifications.dose anyone agree with me [?] The English language definitely does not... Edited November 28, 2014 by Psyxologos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 The English language definitely does not... The English language is constantly evolving,only language snobs or people who want to point score pick up on peoples grammar,as long as the person has made a coherent comment that can be understood then what does it matter if there are a few mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 All aboard the bus, next stop freedom!Looks like the wheels are coming off the bus in South Thanet for good old Nige. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) The English language is constantly evolving,only language snobs or people who want to point score pick up on peoples grammar,as long as the person has made a coherent comment that can be understood then what does it matter if there are a few mistakes. He made a statement that British people 'are losing our culture and our language' to foreigners. So, unless his comment refers to his Polish, Romanian, Spanish (or any other European) teacher who failed to teach him to write English properly, I think you can see the irony in making said statement. And I agree with you, any language is a live organism, it evolves. More often than not though, people who make statements like the one I pointed out earlier, seem to use a simplified, rather discounted language, full of errors; be it in their grammar, syntax or dictation. Edited November 28, 2014 by Psyxologos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 He made a statement that British people 'are losing our culture and our language[/size]' to foreigners. So, unless his comment refers to his Polish, Romanian, Spanish (or any other European) teacher who failed to teach him to write English properly, I think you can see the irony in making said statement. And I agree with you, any language is a live organism, it evolves. More often than not though, people who make statements like the one I pointed out earlier, seem to use a simplified, rather discounted language, full of errors; be it in their grammar, syntax or dictation. And yet you understood exactly what he was trying to convey.Quod Erat Demonstrandum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) And yet you understood exactly what he was trying to convey.Quod Erat Demonstrandum. I am not sure I did, to be honest. I got the gist of it, but I found the post rather confusing. Apart from the obvious hilarity of complaining about foreigners 'ruining' English language; and yet spectacularly failing to do so using correct dictation, punctuation, grammar and syntax; all I got was the usual 'the bloody foreigners are here to take our jobs'. Perhaps his comment was made currente calamo but -in all honesty- the argument made is ab oro a simplistic one that lacks both grounding, as well as fundamental understanding of the relevant facts. In other words, ergo, glu capiuntur aves. Transient populations have always existed, and the formation of what is known today as great Britain is a bright example of one. The problem is not that populations in Europe are shifting between national borders. The most important issue is how to find the right people for the job, and what to do with people who are left jobless, either because they lack the skills, or do so out of choice. hic jacet lepus... It is usually these (unwilling to work) that embark on a hospes, hostis campaign, as if a sine nomine vulgus will come and take them off their homes and change everything they believe in. quod erat demonstrandum... This discussion about economics, social mobility and population dynamics is a very interesting and important one, but also one that has been dragged around by people who know very little -if anything- about it and make wild guesses about everything. Freedom of speech is great, unfortunatelly it is been abused by many who do not want to exercise their freedom to think... sutor ne supra crepidam P.S: The fact that you are ad ostentationem using some Latin makes me very happy. It has been a while since I had the pleasure of using some myself. intelligenti pauca... Edited November 29, 2014 by Psyxologos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Latin, it's all Greek to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 be it in their grammar, syntax or dictation. and yet spectacularly failing to do so using correct dictation, punctuation, grammar and syntax Do you mean diction? It would be a little ironic if you'd got that wrong while trying to school (and belittle) someone in their native language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Do you mean diction? It would be a little ironic if you'd got that wrong while trying to school (and belittle) someone in their native language. And yet I can write, read and express myself much better than the vast majority of native speakers. You found one mistake. I hold my hand up, I did make a mistake. At least I am not blaming someone else for my error. Back on topic now. Edited November 29, 2014 by Psyxologos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 I voted against it in the 70,s and still feel the same,eu has dragged us down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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