Scully Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30513439 I refer to the comment that those who fail to prevent another from smoking will also face the £50 fine. I understand there's nothing set in stone as yet, but if there's any truth in the report, there must have been a moment when this suggestion was proposed by someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I have absolutely no idea how that is supposed to work and I despair at legislation (proposed or otherwise) such as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I have absolutely no idea how that is supposed to work and I despair at legislation (proposed or otherwise) such as this. ...Much in the same way you would report someone if they stumbled out of a pub and drove off in a car. It's not fair that a child should have its life ruined by a parent who seemingly is too selfish to care that the child is inhaling their cigarette smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I do not see how this could ever be enforced. I am not a smoker and I find smoking rather disgusting, but telling people what to do in their cars is rather far fetched, I think. Having said that, I strongly believe that my dad's smoking in the house when I was a baby/todler has a lot to do with me developing respiratory issues later, but hey, this was the '70's, what did they know? ...Much in the same way you would report someone if they stumbled out of a pub and drove off in a car. It's not fair that a child should have its life ruined by a parent who seemingly is too selfish to care that the child is inhaling their cigarette smoke. You can say that again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Typ[ical British Attitude, let's ban everything if it saves only one life right? Think of the children an all that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 well lets think, they banned using mobiles whilst driving and that worked didn't it........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 ...Much in the same way you would report someone if they stumbled out of a pub and drove off in a car. It's not fair that a child should have its life ruined by a parent who seemingly is too selfish to care that the child is inhaling their cigarette smoke. Does the Billy end in no mates then? Yet another advocate of the report everyone for anything state we're encouraging to be introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Typ[ical British Attitude, let's ban everything if it saves only one life right? Think of the children an all that... One life..... What planet are you on. Much as it's a civil liberty to smoke tb your own car with your children where is their choice in this. Personally I'd take the children into care when people were caught as it's usually the ones that really could do with being removed from their parents...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Big Brother will look after you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) ...Much in the same way you would report someone if they stumbled out of a pub and drove off in a car. It's not fair that a child should have its life ruined by a parent who seemingly is too selfish to care that the child is inhaling their cigarette smoke. While I can agree with your second sentence I think your first misses the point. If we're a passenger in a car driven by the owner and he lights one up with one of his kids in the back, where does that leave us? Proposed legislation means we have now been placed with a duty to stop him.Even if you tell him to stop the car and you will get out, you have still failed to stop him smoking in his own car. Ill thought out proposal to say the least I would have thought, unless I've missed something. Edited December 18, 2014 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 ...Much in the same way you would report someone if they stumbled out of a pub and drove off in a car. It's not fair that a child should have its life ruined by a parent who seemingly is too selfish to care that the child is inhaling their cigarette smoke. I don't disagree that being in a smoke filled car is bad, but that misses the point about bad legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 The next thing will be we will have to have a gizmo in the car to make the car only go at the speed that the road sign says 20 30 40 50 60 70. no more speeding then cars that drive them self I can see it now you go to get in the car and it tells you to put out that fag put your phone away sit up striate and stop talking oh what fun that will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 While I can agree with your second sentence I think your first misses the point. If we're a passenger in a car driven by the owner and he lights one up with one of his kids in the back, where does that leave us? Proposed legislation means we have now been placed with a duty to stop him.Even if you tell him to stop the car and you will get out, you have still failed to stop him smoking in his own car. Ill thought out proposal to say the least I would have thought, unless I've missed something. I would say something to my mate if they decided to smoke in the car with a child in tow. I'd lose all respect for someone who did this, law or no law. It's dangerous and has chemical and social effects on the child, why anyone would be more desperate to smoke a cigarette than to ensure their child grows up learning that smoking is bad and dangerous... If you're that desperate for a cigarette, just pull over and have one outside of the car. Better still (child's behaviour depending!) walk away from the car and don't let the kid see you smoking. If you want to smoke yourself to death, then be my guest, but don't take other people to the grave with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I would say something to my mate if they decided to smoke in the car with a child in tow. I'd lose all respect for someone who did this, law or no law. It's dangerous and has chemical and social effects on the child, why anyone would be more desperate to smoke a cigarette than to ensure their child grows up learning that smoking is bad and dangerous... If you're that desperate for a cigarette, just pull over and have one outside of the car. Better still (child's behaviour depending!) walk away from the car and don't let the kid see you smoking. If you want to smoke yourself to death, then be my guest, but don't take other people to the grave with you. Again, I totally agree. But that isn't the point the proposed legislation is making. If you're in the car with your mate and he's smoking with a kid in the back, and you say something to him and he carries on smoking, where does that leave you? You have failed to stop him smoking and therefore face a possible £50 fine. Even if you say stop the car, and then you get out, you have still failed to stop him. Either the reporter has heard it wrong or it's a completely ludicrous proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Sadly, there will always be idiots who wil drink drive, use a mobile whilst driving etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Again, I totally agree. But that isn't the point the proposed legislation is making. If you're in the car with your mate and he's smoking with a kid in the back, and you say something to him and he carries on smoking, where does that leave you? You have failed to stop him smoking and therefore face a possible £50 fine. Even if you say stop the car, and then you get out, you have still failed to stop him. Either the reporter has heard it wrong or it's a completely ludicrous proposal. Personally, I wouldn't surround myself with someone who is likely to smoke in a car with a child, so I'm not overly fussed! If you're in a car and your friend doesn't heed your advice, then I think you need to revaluate your friendship with that person. I'm sure the police will get the picture if they came after you for not stopping them, as you'd probably have some colourful language to say about said person. Edited December 18, 2014 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 al4x and Billy - totally agree. If a friend of mine lit up with kids in the car, he wouldn't be a friend for much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Quite frankly - nobody should smoke in a car at all - particularly the driver. You can't eat, use a phone, or distract yourself in other ways while driving - why is smoking the exception? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 So you are stuck in traffic and there are kids in the car with the windows open, compared to a car with someone smoking in it with kids with the window open. Passive smoke has little affect compared to the amount of pollutants found in exhausts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 So you are stuck in traffic and there are kids in the car with the windows open, compared to a car with someone smoking in it with kids with the window open. Passive smoke has little affect compared to the amount of pollutants found in exhausts. You have some scientific evidence of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 You have some scientific evidence of that? Hmmm let me think, look at the correlation of increase in asthmatics to the car ownership. The fact that a study showed in the US that there was a direct relationship between children living near busy roads and asthma. Also the fact that petrol and diesal have more complex chemical composition than dried plant leaves. So are you afraid of children being near barbeques, bonfires for what they possibly can breath in, but you are perfectly happen with the walking next to heavy traffic. How you can think that dried leaves can affect your children more than thousands of cars pumping out fossil fuels into the atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think the problem is the car is an enclosed space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Still think my English Master was right. He maintained that smokers should be shot at birth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Big Brother will look after you . Exactly. Nevermind that all the reports into second hand smoke are bogus in my opinion. So this is just about forcing peopel to think and act in a certain way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think the problem is the car is an enclosed space. This is why i said with the window open. Alot of emphasis is on cigarettes when the real issue is our air pollution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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