Curly87 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 My dad was always a keen shooter who sadly passed away when I was quite young. I'd really appreciate any info on these two guns below, both of which I remember my dad using. The first is this old folding .410 which I currently have. It doesnt have any makers name on it, only some proof marks. Would be great to know its age and where it was made. The second might be a bit trickier, unfortunately this gun has been destroyed. My older brother informed me it was chucked in a pond, not sure how much truth is in this! Not a very clear image, and its the only one I have but from looking at the stock and the action, I am thinking a Remington Model 11?? I know it was an auto and thats about it! Would love to find out the model of this shotgun, purchase one and see if I could bag some pigeons as well. Still have the cartridge belt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm going to say a Belgian folder and some kind of browning semi auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Semi looks like an old Browning A1 Humpback. Yes I meant A5 Edited January 12, 2015 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Or a breda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I would say a Browning A5 and would agree with Daveo26 that the 4.10 was made in Belgium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yeah I think it's an a5, just been looking at pics of rib less A5s. Difficult to be sure but I think so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot1979 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 .410 is a Modern arms folder. I have the exact same model sat in my cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think that the proof mark on the .410 LG is Liege in Belgium and it is 65mm or 2 1/2" chamber and the auto, as has been suggested, a Browning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 See if this matches up to anything.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thanks Chaps! Great response, given me some stuff to look into. Are those browning A5s still kicking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yes pleanty about for £200 upwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thanks Chaps! Great response, given me some stuff to look into. Are those browning A5s still kicking about? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 See if this matches up to anything.... image.jpg Thanks Daveo, will have check! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The first one ...google "EL Chimbo"...........looks like an early one of those.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer7 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thanks Daveo, will have check! Looks like the letter gamma between 537 and the nitro proof mark which would make it 1950. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) The browning A5 was made from 1903 to 2000 some 2,500,000 were produced ,Browning licensed the design to Remington, who produced it as their Model 11 (1905–1948). The Remington Model 11 was the first auto-loading shotgun made in the USA. The belgian 410 is a 65mm(2 1/2") nitro proofed in Liege about 1950 a basic and very common product back then. Edited January 12, 2015 by Andy H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The first one ...google "EL Chimbo"...........looks like an early one of those....Iv got an el chimbo, which oddly belonged to a late relative also.They are spanish and not as nicely finished as the gun shown. But it has sentimental value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thanks Chaps! Great response, given me some stuff to look into. Are those browning A5s still kicking about? There is a very nice FN example with a Cutts Compensator in the Skipton Gunroom. I think it's been advertised on GT, for around £350. Was quite tempted myself for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 My dad was always a keen shooter who sadly passed away when I was quite young. I'd really appreciate any info on these two guns below, both of which I remember my dad using. The first is this old folding .410 which I currently have. It doesnt have any makers name on it, only some proof marks. Would be great to know its age and where it was made. <script pagespeed_no_defer="" type="text/javascript">//{var d=b[p];if(0{var d=h;if(d.addEventListener)d.addEventListener("load",b,!1);else if(d.attachEvent)d.attachEvent("onload", B);else{var a=d.onload;d.onload=function(){b.call(this);a&&a.call(this)}}};var v,w=function(b,d,a,c,e){this.f=b;this.h=d;this.i=a;this.c=e;this.e={height:h.innerHeight||k[m].clientHeight||k.body.clientHeight,width:h.innerWidth||k[m].clientWidth||k.body.clientWidth};this.g=c;this.b={};this.a=[];this.d={}},x=function(b,d){var a,c,e=d.getAttribute("pagespeed_url_hash");if(a=e)if(a=!(e in b.d))if(0>=d.offsetWidth&&0>=d.offsetHeight)a=!1;else{c=d.getBoundingClientRect();var f=k.body;a=c.top+("pageYOffset"in h?h.pageYOffset:(k[m]||f.parentNode||f).scrollTop);c=c.left+("pageXOffset"in h?h.pageXOffset:(k[m]||f.parentNode||f).scrollLeft);f=a.toString()+","+c;b.b.hasOwnProperty(f)?a=!1:(b.b[f]=!0,a=a<=b.e[n]&&c<=b.e[l])}a&&(b.a.push(e),b.d[e]=!0)};w.prototype.checkImageForCriticality=function( B){b.getBoundingClientRect&&x(this, B)};r("pagespeed.CriticalImages.checkImageForCriticality",function( B){v.checkImageForCriticality( B)});r("pagespeed.CriticalImages.checkCriticalImages",function(){y(v)});var y=function( B){b.b={};for(var d=["IMG","INPUT"],a=[],c=0;c=a[p]+e[p]&&(a+=e)}b.g&&(e="&rd="+g(JSON.stringify(z())),131072>=a[p]+e[p]&&(a+=e),d=!0);A=a;if(d){c=b.f;b=b.h;var f;if(h.XMLHttpRequest)f=new XMLHttpRequest;else if(h.ActiveXObject)try{f=new ActiveXObject("Msxml2.XMLHTTP")}catch(s){try{f=new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP")}catch( B){}}f&&(f.open("POST",c+(-1==c.indexOf("?")?"?":"&")+"url="+g( B)),f.setRequestHeader("Content-Type","application/x-www-form-urlencoded"),f.send(a))}}},z=function(){var b={},d=k.getElementsByTagName("IMG");if(0==d[p])return{};var a=d[0];if(!("naturalWidth"in a&&"naturalHeight"in a))return{};for(var c=0;a=d[c];++c){var e=a.getAttribute("pagespeed_url_hash");e&&(!(e in B)&&0=b[a.src].k&&a[n]>=b[a.src].j)&&(b[e]={rw:a[l],rh:a[n],ow:a.naturalWidth,oh:a.naturalHeight})}return b},A="";r("pagespeed.CriticalImages.getBeaconData",function(){return A});r("pagespeed.CriticalImages.Run",function(b,d,a,c,e,f){var s=new w(b,d,a,e,f);v=s;c&&u(function(){h.setTimeout(function(){y(s)},0)})});})();pagespeed.CriticalImages.Run('/mod_pagespeed_beacon','http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?s=8fb3b24b1224f0e2263287adc6889b51&app=forums&module=ajax§ion=topics&do=quote&t=302880&p=2728428&md5check=62d3855b41cb20aca154fcd4dc6a9e54&isRte=1,iruQp7rrl-,true,false,1uUP2bpyUbo'); //]]></script>[l]&&0 The second might be a bit trickier, unfortunately this gun has been destroyed. My older brother informed me it was chucked in a pond, not sure how much truth is in this! Not a very clear image, and its the only one I have but from looking at the stock and the action, I am thinking a Remington Model 11?? I know it was an auto and thats about it! Would love to find out the model of this shotgun, purchase one and see if I could bag some pigeons as well. Still have the cartridge belt! [l]&&0The shotgun is most likely is a Rem mod 11. I saw and handled one some years ago. They go back to a time before ww2 when there was a time when Remington produced these. They are almost the same as a Browning 5 shot auto. I think that a lot of them were produced and used by the US forces. During the war the RAF used clay pigeon shooting to sharpen up the air gunnery skills of pilots and gunners. Google up Rem mod 11. Link to info.>>> http://www.remington.com/products/archived/shotguns/autoloading/model-11.aspx And this lik to a youtube video. It was this guys Dad's gun. Get the tissues out time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCpL83cP9RA There probably aren’t many of these about here being of an age and you would probably have to have it on a FAC to own and shoot it as it was a five shot. AS for the four ten there were a lot around made in Belgium right back to when. They used to be sold for a few shillings out of ironmongers shops and took an awful lot of rabbits and other targets out of trees. I've got one that probably goes back to the 1920’s. My oldest sisters husband gave me this when he packed up and he is in his 80's now. His uncle gave it to him and he said that it had taken hundreds of targets out of trees and rabbits bolting from ferret nets. When I pick it up it is so small that it feels like a kids toy popgun. I can’t imagine having this as my only gun and relying on it to put meat on the table but this is what they did all over the country back in those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) PS to above. In my posts I have a thread about a sbs 20 bore that belongs to one of my son in laws and there is a bit of confusion about the true year of some of these proof marks. In the case of the 20 it appears that the barrels could have been made and proofed at a different time that the gun was in use. almost as if they had been stored . The marks gave conflicting data as to when the gun was actually made. it could have been before the war in the 30's or in the 50's. It also appeared that the gun was made by diferent companies like as if it was made by sub manufacturers and then assembled and finnished by someone else. Confusing isn' it. Edited January 12, 2015 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Curly87 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The browning A5 was made from 1903 to 2000 some 2,500,000 were produced ,Browning licensed the design to Remington, who produced it as their Model 11 (19051948). The Remington Model 11 was the first auto-loading shotgun made in the USA. The belgian 410 is a 65mm(2 1/2") nitro proofed in Liege about 1950 a basic and very common product back then. Just found this http://www.nramuseum.org/media/940944/proofmarks.pdf You are indeed correct, and others who said it was from Belgium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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