matt fieldcrafter-uk Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hi I'm hoping you guys can put me straight here .. Am I right in thinking that it's legal to fully silence a shotgun yourself , and no proof needed unless you sell the weapon then it needs proofing ?? I don't mean adding a screw on mod . I mean porting the barrel adding a shroud etc . Look forward to your replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Think that's true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 You can work on your own shotgun yourself but it will take the donor gun out of proof so it can never be sold or given away as a working gun. I also believe that as you are not an RFD that even if you have the gun proofed it still cannot be sold or given away because that would imply trading which you have no authority to do without RFD status. It would also be illegal to have a third party who isn't an RFD do the work for you, ie, an engineer friend. Nice little project if you have a lathe and a mill though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 You dont have to say a shotgun is a modetated or silenced oto your police force my hushpower mosberg just says on sgc mossberg 500 .410 pump action ans serial number same as my Pedretti all is down as is single barrel folder .410 the only thing would be that it wood need to pass proof come to sell it as you dont have to tell them if you buy and fit a silencer to a shotgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Working, but unproved or out of proof guns can be 'given' away, but as said, not sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 You can do it yourself barrel porting etc and use it but then when it comes time to sell a visit to the proof house is in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 You can do it yourself barrel porting etc and use it but then when it comes time to sell a visit to the proof house is in order. I don't think you can ever sell it if you didn't have the necessary status to be able to manufacture firearms when it was made regardless of proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I have somewhere in the deep dark recesses of my mind that a fully slienced weapon may be a prohibited weapon - because its totally silent. I could be wrong but worth a check perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I have a full silenced well all the way back to the breach Pedretti .410 bit louder than a air rifle did have a tought of getting unburnable Waddington or type of breathable material to pack inside if the moderator to make the noise even less so but I do believe a 22lr with decent moderator is the quietest your going to get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt fieldcrafter-uk Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Thank you gentleman .. I may give it a go one day !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I don't think you can ever sell it if you didn't have the necessary status to be able to manufacture firearms when it was made regardless of proof. He's not manufactured a firearm, or a part that needs certification though. I have somewhere in the deep dark recesses of my mind that a fully slienced weapon may be a prohibited weapon - because its totally silent. I could be wrong but worth a check perhaps Its not prohibited at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'm not convinced fully silenced weapons exist outside of Hollywood, although a .22LR comes close. I quite fancy buying a cheap .410 and making a silencer for it, would be interested in any information regarding porting the barrel etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I have somewhere in the deep dark recesses of my mind that a fully slienced weapon may be a prohibited weapon - because its totally silent. I could be wrong but worth a check perhaps nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) You can work on your own shotgun yourself but it will take the donor gun out of proof so it can never be sold or given away as a working gun. I also believe that as you are not an RFD that even if you have the gun proofed it still cannot be sold or given away because that would imply trading which you have no authority to do without RFD status. It would also be illegal to have a third party who isn't an RFD do the work for you, ie, an engineer friend. Nice little project if you have a lathe and a mill though. Are you sure of your facts, every day people sell guns with proof over the internet and by auction without being a RFD. Have a look on this forum about the guy who built his own punt gun breech and all parts who was not a gunsmith I doubt porting would effect existing proof authority but shortning, attaching a moderator may, but anyway getting it reproofed would not be a problem except the money side Edited January 13, 2015 by ChrisAsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Its not prohibited at all. I cant find any reference to being prohibited so ignore the post, must have been something to do with the 'Welrod' single shot silenced pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 The welrod would probably be one of the quietest pistols ever made! I've no experience of one but with no moving action and a fully shrouded barrel with leather washers, it would have been very quiet indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 There is a very nice example of a fully moderated Colt Woodsman .22lr in the Royal Armouries in Leeds, as issued to SOE operatives in WW2. Lovely piece of kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I have somewhere in the deep dark recesses of my mind that a fully slienced weapon may be a prohibited weapon - because its totally silent. I could be wrong but worth a check perhaps Never heard of that but you could well be right but if you are my experience of Hushpower shotguns(.410 & 12ga) tells me they are much "quieter" but compared to silenced 22lr with subs they are loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3jackwhite3 Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I'm in the middle of making a DIY silencer for me and a mates .410, I'm going to port the barrel on mine but not his, I'll take a few pics and post them when it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I'm in the middle of making a DIY silencer for me and a mates .410, I'm going to port the barrel on mine but not his, I'll take a few pics and post them when it's done. I look forward to that, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 There is a very nice example of a fully moderated Colt Woodsman .22lr in the Royal Armouries in Leeds, as issued to SOE operatives in WW2. Lovely piece of kit. The "Colt woodsman " use to be my favourite pistol , when the government use to trust us with pistol ownership . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hi Matt, I made one many moons ago using an extended choke to fix to the end of the barrel, only a prototype but the principal was sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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