sishyplops Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Hi all pw massive I really struggle with seeing too much rib on all my sporters therefore my guns always shoot high for me, I have had them lowered etc to no avail and have had guns proffesionally fitted but I still see way to much rib for my liking, I like to shoot reasonably flat Nd have always just pressed my cheek onto the stock to get the sight plane I like, ( I am no beginner and qualified for Suffolk dtl team some time ago , came 16th in the clubman and am a AA class at club level) I'm not bragging here but I don't want the get you're gun fitted response, I have a long neck, I'm 15 stone and 6'1 tall and I think this is the problem, it's been suggested I go For a trap gun with a high rib or fit an after market rib which to be honest I don't really want to do as it look a bit pretentious ( in my opinion) for a club level shooter. So the question is what is a good high rib trap gun that is multichoked, budget is sub £1500, I'm not adversed to old in fact I quite like it,ive put a wanted ad in but what are your thoughts Really appreciate your input Richard Edited February 12, 2015 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 The cheapest and most sensible way into high rib Trap gun ownerships is an old spec Beretta 682X - these can be had from around £900 to £1250 and will be as well made as anything is today at three times the money. They are also easy enough to sell on or px if need be. Having said that I think you ought to at the very least ask to borrow and have a feel of other shooters similar guns to makes sure that they give you the desired sight picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Depends just how high you mean. The Beretta is about half and inch higher. Anything higher would struggle to meet your budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Fabarm C1 up to the C6 Brilliant gun and I miss mine big time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Looks a good buy http://www.guntrader.co.uk/Guns-For-Sale/Beretta_Shotgun_S682X_For-Sale_150129111639001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Like I replied in your previous post, there are quite a few good Winchester Diamond Grades on Guntrader with high ribs, but if you're seeing too much rib, how will a high rib improve your sight picture? Isn't the answer to shave the comb so you see very little rib, or am I missing something? I am a bit lighter than you but the same height and have a neck like a giraffe, and prefer to shoot with a flat sight plane rather than a 'runway' also, but even the high rib on my Winchester Trap gun only gives me the usual 'figure 8' sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I suppose the question is: Why would a high rib prevent you from shooting high? Just seeing less (or no) rib on a high rib gun doesn't alter the angle between the barrels and the line of sight. It only alters the angle between the rib and the line of sight. High rib guns always have a high comb fitted because they are trap guns which are meant to shoot high. If (for some strange reason) you want to shoot your sporter like a rifle and look flat along the rib to the bead then surely the best option is to lower the comb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Isn't the answer to shave the comb so you see very little rib, or am I missing something? I am a bit lighter than you but the same height and have a neck like a giraffe, and prefer to shoot with a flat sight plane rather than a 'runway' also, but even the high rib on my Winchester Trap gun only gives me the usual 'figure 8' sight. I have to say this was my initial thoughts too because a high rib gun does not in itself help a person with a long neck because they always also include a higher comb to off set the rib ! The OP however seems convinced he knows what he wants and is experienced enough so I didn't pursue that angle. One thing I would mention though is that there is a fine line between simply shaving more and more off the comb height to drop your eye line level with the rib, too much can affect the shooting dynamics of the set up with unusual barrel flip and/or the stock sitting too low in the shoulder pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Thanks all , the problem I have is to keep my head level I need a high comb, when this is achieved I see so much rib I can place my finger between the beads just infront of the mid bead and still see the front bead, none of this prefered figure 8, to achieve the figure 8 I have to can't my head over to the right resulting in getting walloped in the cheek, I ended up shooting trap in the suffolk qualifiers with a remi 1187 with soft foam taped over the comb, result was I qualified but never shot in the team as half the England team were shooting for Suffolk back then . So my point is I can put up with it but would rather not and wondered if a change to a high rib gun would help me keep my head level, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) If (for some strange reason) you want to shoot your sporter like a rifle and look flat along the rib to the bead then surely the best option is to lower the comb. That's exactly how I do want to shoot it what's strage about that? Lowering the comb does not support my head so my mount is not the same every time , I have low comb field guns winchester 101 and beretta 303 field neither help my situation as I just cant my head over Edited February 12, 2015 by sishyplops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 If (for some strange reason) you want to shoot your sporter like a rifle and look flat along the rib to the bead then surely the best option is to lower the comb. That's exactly how I do want to shoot it what's strage about that? Lowering the comb does not support my head so my mount is not the same every time , I have low comb field guns winchester 101 and beretta 303 field neither help my situation as I just cant my head over If you're canting your head would a straight (no cast) stock help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Observation of Rib, is a personal thing, fat,face,thin face long neck, arms, lenth of pull. I think you may get the idea.. Rising Rib As Well all know shoots High, A sight where you cannot see down the Rib at all, is useless.. The sight plane to me anyway (Personal).Is not quite flat, there is a slight Rise, but very little. The EYE When the gun is pointed at a mirror,(With your Head STRAIGHT)... The COLOUR of your eye should be Dead centre of the Rib. If your head is canted in any way over the stock, you shoot differently every time. You were born with your head and eyes level, it gives you your 3 dimentional SIGHT. Thats why well fitted gunners shoot better,There is no need to smash your face into the stock and get kicked, if it touches your face,and at the same time your shoulder pocket, Not only will you shoot better, it will feel like a well fitted Glove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 At the risk of stating the bleedin obvious I really do think you'd benefit from expert fitting advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 At the risk of stating the bleedin obvious I really do think you'd benefit from expert fitting advice. That's all I can think of too. Seeing a lot of rib is why I don't get on with Berettas. There are one or two models I really like, but I see a lot of rib which means I miss over the top, and squashing my head down onto the comb in order to 'shoot flat' means I get slapped on the cheek bone. I know you said not to suggest gunfit, but I can't think of anything else which would help. Take half an inch off the length of the stock? Take the butt pad off and see what happens to your sight picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 That's exactly how I do want to shoot it what's strage about that? Wrong choice of word on my part, I was thinking from the perspective of a hedge monkey who hardly ever shoots trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 How about a Precision Fit stock from Alan Rhone? Looks infinitely adjustable in every possible way, though not as pretty as walnut. Only £1312. Browning/Miroku only. Anybody got or tried one? I have similar problems to the OP, so I'm interested in solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I have an aftermarket 20mm rib made from Carbon Fibre that I swap between my semi auto and U/O. Made such a difference to me shooting head up. I use mine for sporting and skeet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 That's all I can think of too. Seeing a lot of rib is why I don't get on with Berettas. There are one or two models I really like, but I see a lot of rib which means I miss over the top, and squashing my head down onto the comb in order to 'shoot flat' means I get slapped on the cheek bone. I know you said not to suggest gunfit, but I can't think of anything else which would help. Take half an inch off the length of the stock? Take the butt pad off and see what happens to your sight picture? I think the real problem here is that shotguns aren't meant to be shot flat in normal use. They're designed to fit such that the line of sight is above the rib which is what you get with the beads lined up to form a figure "8". Here's what Browning has to say: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/glossaryitem.asp?id=218 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I think the real problem here is that shotguns aren't meant to be shot flat in normal use. They're designed to fit such that the line of sight is above the rib which is what you get with the beads lined up to form a figure "8". Quite agree. However I still prefer to shoot more or less 'flat', but I'm quite happy with a figure 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 Could you get fitted with one of those flexible try guns so you can get the exact fit you are happy with then match it with your exsisting gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 I've had two high rib sporters,both Fabarms,the OU and the Auto,they improve sight plane.i'm 6 ft and have a long neck and hight cheek bones so I find normal set ups restrict me,I'm not a good shoot tbh.There was a CG high rib on guntrader for £1900 inc some carts,bit more than you want to spend but might be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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