digger Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Would the video have been posted if her actions had caused the horse to break it's leg ? or if the rider had been unseated ? where would you sit then KW ? crying about the views of others and questioning why posts are allowed is beneath you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 I don't know how many of you are or have been horse riders. I owned an anglo arab for years that was really headstrong. I loved riding it because it was as mad as I was. People don't realize it's not a car your driving that can stop when needed. a horse has a brain of its own and if it wants to jump sideways, 12ft across the road when a plastic bag flaps in the hedge, there is very little you can do about it. A Horse that is used by a hunt is bred for that purpose (hunting) they must be big, brave, forward going , fit and jump well. When you get a lot of horses together on a hunt they all go up a few gears and get a bit fired up. Most weigh about 1/2 a ton I'm ******** if I'd get anywhere near to being in the way of one. It proves just how little these people know about the ways of animals and country life, as said before, a horse will do it's utmost to avoid hitting a human, even to it's own detriment. I wasn't there but I think, it was bolting from something that scared it and it had nowhere to go but that gateway, and as said rider couldn't stop it. and ignorance of horses put that woman in harms way. Huntsman wasn't kicking on ,was trying to regain bottom leg contact with horse That's my two pence worth And add to that how much the horse gets 'switched on' with the sights and smells of the day and that hunting horn going and ..... well it's no motor car, not even comparable, closest way to describe it would be a head strong spaniel on the scent of pheasants with rabbits running all around lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy.plinker Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Just thinking can riders folowers have any claim on sabs if they are badly hurt by a horse being delibertily frightened/scared by sab's. Would imagine that could be a real risk It's a shame they can no longer be 'sorted out' but most have far to much to lose. My grandpa was banned from the local hunt many years ago for giving a sab a hiding with a turnip/swede, think he manged to pick wot ever root while he was still mounted and give the boy a good 'doing', that was a long time ago prob in 80's Haha scotslad that'll have been a 'neep' ,good weapon of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 As I said earlier, there is insufficient footage to make a proper judgement, but anyone, who thinks the footage puts the hunter in a good light and the saboteur in a bad light, needs a reality check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 questioning why posts are allowed is beneath you. Is it? why have some posts already been removed,some idiots on here would rather see a person injured (and state so on a forum via the hope the horse is ok hope it does not get a skin disease from contact with the woman posts) than see a sport curtailed for the day, yes the sabs are cretins and yes if they as with the iron bar incident cause harm they should feel the full weight of the law, and yes they know the risks but so do we, and at the end of a day its a days sport not a life changing event and needs to be recognised in that regardless of the circumstance the rider had a duty of care?and in my opinion deliberately harmed the woman via his I will go through actions, so what is that stance there then above or below? KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 As I said earlier, there is insufficient footage to make a proper judgement, but anyone, who thinks the footage puts the hunter in a good light and the saboteur in a bad light, needs a reality check. Indeed, I presume the the CPS saw it all and made the decision not to pursue a prosecution! They do indeed! Is it? why have some posts already been removed,some idiots on here would rather see a person injured (and state so on a forum via the hope the horse is ok hope it does not get a skin disease from contact with the woman posts) than see a sport curtailed for the day, yes the sabs are cretins and yes if they as with the iron bar incident cause harm they should feel the full weight of the law, and yes they know the risks but so do we, and at the end of a day its a days sport not a life changing event and needs to be recognised in that regardless of the circumstance the rider had a duty of care?and in my opinion deliberately harmed the woman via his I will go through actions, so what is that stance there then above or below? KW A very level headed summing up KW. A shame it happened and I hope she is well on the way to recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Are you not overlooking the fact that they would have been AT the crossing LEGALLY. Yes you can be at the crossing legally, you also have to use it legally not just step off into the path of any vehicle that is also at the crossing LEGALLY! Hell you can be at a Zebra crossing and if you choose to step off the pavement when the bus is 6 inches away from you despite the fact that you are at the crossing LEGALLY, you will still get hurt and still not have any legal recompense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Dead right he was trying to get back into position the leg that struck the woman,(after according to some not realising he had hit her he he,) regardless of why the horse was galloping along only the rider will know, but the crass comments here of "she got what she deserved" are fickle, sad, and just wrong, so to those on this forum who derive some sort of pleasure from seeing this woman as deluded as she may be, injured and injured very badly at that, then I would suggest your temperament is suspect to say the very least, and I am surprised that this forum has indeed allowed such comments to stand. KW here here well said.some mothers do ave em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydean Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Is it? why have some posts already been removed,some idiots on here would rather see a person injured (and state so on a forum via the hope the horse is ok hope it does not get a skin disease from contact with the woman posts) than see a sport curtailed for the day, yes the sabs are cretins and yes if they as with the iron bar incident cause harm they should feel the full weight of the law, and yes they know the risks but so do we, and at the end of a day its a days sport not a life changing event and needs to be recognised in that regardless of the circumstance the rider had a duty of care?and in my opinion deliberately harmed the woman via his I will go through actions, so what is that stance there then above or below? KW A bit strong on the criticism, as we all make faux -pas but I cant fault you on the essential wisdom or morality of your comments. However, it is not wrong to fight to retain what you believe is an essential part of your enjoyment of the countryside, in fact, in the face of destructive violence on the part of others, it perhaps becomes essential and an obligation (within the law) on all of us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Starting at 11secs in to video you can see companion push her,cut from slowmo replay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 She can ask for a review of the case but nothing will come of that. The law would require you to show either an intention to cause serious harm or that serious harm could have been foreseen, that said when you go equiped with face mask spray and god knows what and then get injured when you shouldn't be there you then want the law on your side thats taking the **** that air ambulance could have been helping someone in real need not a sab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 that air ambulance could have been helping someone in real need not a sab. You need to check your facts. However she got the injuries - they were serious. Rather foolishly, I believed that the Ambulance Service are there to help injured and sick people. They don't start making judgements about contributory negligence before starting treatment. As for any review - I await the CPS decision. It wouldn't be the first time they have changed their mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 She can ask for a review of the case but nothing will come of that. The law would require you to show either an intention to cause serious harm or that serious harm could have been foreseen, that said when you go equiped with face mask spray and god knows what and then get injured when you shouldn't be there you then want the law on your side thats taking the **** that air ambulance could have been helping someone in real need not a sab. And there you have it in a nutshell neanderthal mentality at its very best, a woman has several broken ribs and a torn lung yet you consider her not in real need. you do our sport no favor with your pathetic comparators. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Gordon R my facts are spot on they come from a report of the cps I've no time for these thugs and I can tell you with everything I've seen in my life time I would rather step over her than help her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Gordon R my facts are spot on they come from a report of the cps I've no time for these thugs and I can tell you with everything I've seen in my life time I would rather step over her than help her. I thank God that, with such compassion, you are not employed by the Countryside Alliance PR team. Despite her views on hunting, which are the opposite of mine, I would defend her right to demonstrate and would wish her to receive compassion and medical care for her injuries. Spouting off such nonsence does hunting, and field sports in general, no favours whatsoever. I hope she swiftly recovers after her terible accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) I thank God that, with such compassion, you are not employed by the Countryside Alliance PR team. Despite her views on hunting, which are the opposite of mine, I would defend her right to demonstrate and would wish her to receive compassion and medical care for her injuries. Spouting off such nonsence does hunting, and field sports in general, no favours whatsoever. I hope she swiftly recovers after her terible accident. if you read my early posts you will see I've no problem with anyone protesting in peaceful manner and as for compassion I've seen good men shot and legs and arms blown off I'll reserve my compassion for real people of this world. Edited March 15, 2015 by E.w. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) E.w. - your "facts" are just hot air. You really don't know what you are talking about. Also, your views on the woman's injuries are nothing short of a disgrace. "Real people" are those who have lost a limb. Broken ribs don't count. Playground mentality. Edited March 15, 2015 by Gordon R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 fair play KW I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 pray tell how you "stage" several broken ribs and a torn lung? and whilst I have no time for these idiots who wish to simply spoil a sport, a little consideration of the implications of an impact with a horse at the gallop would have been justified, as would stopping to see if you had actually hurt the woman, nope a wonderful way not of getting Joe public on board re hunting. KW I never said the injuries were staged I said the video was. If you cant see that or even perceive its possibility then I dont think we should waste any more of each others time on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Indeed, I can say without a shadow of a doubt the sabs that try their luck with the F&D hunt regularly calling the police out to made up incidents, not so long back they had an ambulance out for, and no I kid not, a graze, and this was after the sab overdid the acting falling to the ground and writhing in 'pain' on being ushered out of harms way by one of the hunt lads. Luckily for the hunt lad he wears a body cam. To give you all an idea of how often the body cam footage is needed to prove the sabs make malicious accusations one of the hunt lads spend a couple of hours per week in the local nick giving statements and footage. Edited March 15, 2015 by Paul223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 how some people on here keep their certs amazes me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) I can't help but wonder what happened that could have made the horse bolt off camera as it approached the partially and deliberately obstructed gateway - while little miss innocent to the left put her facemask on. Few could have predicted the silly woman would have got hurt and I can't blame the rider for getting the hell out of there considering some of the goings on with sabs. I also think the video has been edited since the one I saw a few weeks ago which showed the woman stepping backwards into the horse. Edited March 16, 2015 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I can't help but wonder what happened that could have made the horse bolt off camera as it approached the partially and deliberately obstructed gateway - while little miss innocent to the left put her facemask on. Few could have predicted the silly woman would have got hurt and I can't blame the rider for getting the hell out of there considering some of the goings on with sabs. I also think the video has been edited since the one I saw a few weeks ago which showed the woman stepping backwards into the horse. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2929735/Shocking-moment-master-hunt-beaten-unconscious-balaclava-wearing-protesters-armed-iron-bars.html This is the sort of thing that would be why he didn't stop or at least come back once slowing the horse down - I certainly wouldn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 how some people on here keep their certs amazes me Why? The right to have an opinion is why the sabs were in that field to start with. You might like to check the comments at the bottom of the original live leak video,see what some peoples opinions are. I dont think anyone really wanted her to get seriously injured,but one thing I can say is Dorset sabs have capitalised on the incident considerably,check out their facebook page with the accusations of the hunt staff hindering the ambulance from getting to her, with no proof whatsoever . Never mind the fact there are plenty of indications that the sabs set the whole thing up to either cause injury to hunt participants or to make it look like they were being attacked by the hunt. Their campaign against the hunt in general,publishing names addresses and phone numbers of hunt staff,one member of the hunt was involved in that incident,why try to tarnish and intimidate the whole of the hunt staff? Who are going about their lawful business,whilst the sabs continue to flaunt the law of the land. Who are the villains here? I would say the ones wearing the masks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Why? The right to have an opinion is why the sabs were in that field to start with. You might like to check the comments at the bottom of the original live leak video,see what some peoples opinions are. I dont think anyone really wanted her to get seriously injured,but one thing I can say is Dorset sabs have capitalised on the incident considerably,check out their facebook page with the accusations of the hunt staff hindering the ambulance from getting to her, with no proof whatsoever . Never mind the fact there are plenty of indications that the sabs set the whole thing up to either cause injury to hunt participants or to make it look like they were being attacked by the hunt. Their campaign against the hunt in general,publishing names addresses and phone numbers of hunt staff,one member of the hunt was involved in that incident,why try to tarnish and intimidate the whole of the hunt staff? Who are going about their lawful business,whilst the sabs continue to flaunt the law of the land. Who are the villains here? I would say the ones wearing the masks. its not about the rights and wrongs of who was where that prompted my comment its as kw said awful that some people are actually pleased this woman ended up in hospital, that dont look to good to me. Edited March 16, 2015 by overandunder2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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