Scully Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 This is a wild conjecture. Perhaps you could please elaborate on how you reached this conclusion? I probably could elaborate, but after KW's reply to your post I somehow don't feel the need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 AVB - kdubya takes a lot of stick, but members whinge when he dishes some out. He doesn't need me to back him up - he is more than capable, but I do wonder why he gets singled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (but I forgot it was the disabled man on benefit with a spare room that brought the worlds finances down silly me) and they have had enough of the man at the bottom being solely targeted with austerity measures to try to repair the mess the country is in, like it or not oh one with sand in ears, change IS coming it may take a few more elections but change is on its way, better get plenty of cheap plates in? KW I've heard this from you time and time again, my other half is in housing for our local authority and she is the first to say this is so far overdue its ridiculous. Why provide social housing that is far in excess of peoples needs. They are desperate for a way of getting pople out of their larger houses once their children have left home. Why should the state pay for someone to live in a 3 bed house when it is just them because they have had previous need? All the bedroom tax is meant to do is push people into moving into more suitable accomodation. I can't be bothered with the rest of your ranting about the current mob who seem to have kept our head above water and the economy thriving with the best performing in the world.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I've heard this from you time and time again, my other half is in housing for our local authority and she is the first to say this is so far overdue its ridiculous. Why provide social housing that is far in excess of peoples needs. They are desperate for a way of getting pople out of their larger houses once their children have left home. Why should the state pay for someone to live in a 3 bed house when it is just them because they have had previous need? All the bedroom tax is meant to do is push people into moving into more suitable accomodation. I can't be bothered with the rest of your ranting about the current mob who seem to have kept our head above water and the economy thriving with the best performing in the world.... A workmates wife also happens to work in local authority housing she calls her clients "scuffers" perhaps they get hardened to real need and tar all the same , yours would not be guilty of that would she still why not push people to more suitable accommodation IE slums that landlords can now charge the earth for, they are the big winners in this not mr & mrs average with a need for another room. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I've heard this from you time and time again, my other half is in housing for our local authority and she is the first to say this is so far overdue its ridiculous. Why provide social housing that is far in excess of peoples needs. They are desperate for a way of getting pople out of their larger houses once their children have left home. Why should the state pay for someone to live in a 3 bed house when it is just them because they have had previous need? All the bedroom tax is meant to do is push people into moving into more suitable accomodation. I can't be bothered with the rest of your ranting about the current mob who seem to have kept our head above water and the economy thriving with the best performing in the world.... not sure people should be pushed out of their homes for any reason ! if they want to move on fine if not leave em alone, build more social housing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) not sure people should be pushed out of their homes for any reason ! if they want to move on fine if not leave em alone, build more social housing I too believe it's a waste of effort making tenants move or cough up extra for the spare room, what good does it do? rents for 2 and 3 bed properties are similar, only a few pounds difference round here, and depending on if it's classed as" social" or "affordable" housing, the rents for the latter are bordering on extortionate. my view is it causes nothing but stress and agro for the tenant, both financially in the cost of moving, and emotionally, having to deal with little hitler housing officers who couldn't give a toss about the tenant. I can understand why it's done, but the half measures we've seen yet again means that the crazy old cat lady who just happens to be a pensioner down the road is free to live in her 3 bed pigsty, while only using the downstairs rooms, while her neighbours with only 1 child left at home have to move out after 18 yrs of making the house a home. Edited April 11, 2015 by Paddy Galore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 not sure people should be pushed out of their homes for any reason ! if they want to move on fine if not leave em alone, build more social housing Once you've qualified for social housing should you really be able to stay for life? Should you be able to breed the your way into a 4 bed and just stay while the taxpayer then has to fund more to be built for those in genuine need. Kw it almost sounds like the you actually have some values that mean you really should be voting labour. They don't believe in working for a living either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 It's a tough one but unless you own your own place, there is no g'tee that you can stay anywhere for any period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Once you've qualified for social housing should you really be able to stay for life? Should you be able to breed the your way into a 4 bed and just stay while the taxpayer then has to fund more to be built for those in genuine need. Kw it almost sounds like the you actually have some values that mean you really should be voting labour. They don't believe in working for a living either... Can I ask why common decency and a little consideration for those who have not done so well in life is a trait of a labour voter? can I also ask were you get the "dont believe in working for a living" bit from as a well ,are you suggesting I dont work for living? if so ha ha I'm home and dry mate are you or are you simply suggesting anyone in need of subsidy in order to meet their rent is a non working non believer in work , if so pure bigotry sorry to say. A lot of those pushed out ( your term) will be on very low min wages and were pushed out simply through the rent being to high to meet without a little subsidy (do you get any subsidy from the govt then ) The only people who have benefited are Landlords who are now (due to the shortage of social housing and the inability of the low paid and young to get on to the housing ladder) exploiting the situation big time, putting **** holes not fit for pigs let alone humans up on the books at stupid rates, Any way nice to see the caring and compassionate side of humanity coming from your household, must be a laugh a minute when you sit gripeing about the scuffers and breeders in life getting something for nowt , whilst you have your eve meal :lol: I really hope you dont ever fall on hard times and need support (honest!) KW Edited April 12, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Once you've qualified for social housing should you really be able to stay for life? Should you be able to breed the your way into a 4 bed and just stay while the taxpayer then has to fund more to be built for those in genuine need. Kw it almost sounds like the you actually have some values that mean you really should be voting labour. They don't believe in working for a living either... the clue is in the name Social, (definition friendly companionship) surely most of the people you want to (jack) boot out of their homes are elderly and often living in a neighbourhood they have lived in for years and are used too, perhaps those that disagree with them living in luxury can take heart that being elderly that wont have that long to live, why not build some more houses the government could compulsory purchase some of the land owned by the large supermarkets, anyway this is off topic so unless UKIP have any plans for social housing I will leave you to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Pot kettle black,just 3 words that spring to mind,you are one of the famous three,that cannot resist having a go on every UKIP thread,as i thanked mike i also thank you for keeping UKIP in the front of peoples minds for so long, most other threads are lucky to reach 5 pages, with you mike and overandunder on board we are guaranteed maximum publicity and at least 20 pages.Bless you psycowatsit for your help in this and all other UKIP threads you need the publicity according to the polls glad i could help mate anything that see's the torys outs ok by me dont forget to vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 you need the publicity according to the polls glad i could help mate anything that see's the torys outs ok by me dont forget to vote I vote every election,are you Registered to vote?,I won't bother asking you who you last voted for as it seems to be a state secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 AVB - kdubya takes a lot of stick, but members whinge when he dishes some out. He doesn't need me to back him up - he is more than capable, but I do wonder why he gets singled out. in fairness to kw at least he dont benefit bash at every opportunity and he does put up a sensible argument for the most part, god knows he knows i dont see eye to eye with him on a few things but i can respect the fact he stands for something he believes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) I vote every election,are you Registered to vote?,I won't bother asking you who you last voted for as it seems to be a state secret. yes i do i vote every time. i think i went lib dem last time but like many on here probably have i used to go labour when they stood for working people in the past. never voted tory. i still think they are all untrustworthy scumbags but you cant put that on the ballot paper Edited April 13, 2015 by overandunder2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 yes i do i vote every time. i think i went lib dem last time but like many on here probably have i used to go labour when they stood for working people in the past. never voted tory. i still think they are all untrustworthy scumbags but you cant put that on the ballot paper Then you have tree choices vote libdem and have a liar who would sell his soul to the devil to feel power again,or vote labour and watch them destroy the country with balls as a chancellor with a proven record of being an idiot and millipede having his strings pulled by blair the most odious man in the world of politics.Or you could try and effect change by voting UKIP. The choice is yours ,much of the same old **** with the same lines,or try something different and vote UKIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Then you have tree choices vote libdem and have a liar who would sell his soul to the devil to feel power again,or vote labour and watch them destroy the country with balls as a chancellor with a proven record of being an idiot and millipede having his strings pulled by blair the most odious man in the world of politics.Or you could try and effect change by voting UKIP. The choice is yours ,much of the same old **** with the same lines,or try something different and vote UKIP. i agree with you mate its a **** choice to choose from cant dispute that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Now few could or should disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 i agree with you mate its a **** choice to choose from cant dispute that so we have you on board then me old mucka KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 so we have you on board then me old mucka KW sorry mate not this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 anyway this is off topic so unless UKIP have any plans for social housing I will leave you to it. And there you can see the glaring problem with ukip once you go away from Europe they really don't have much idea on anything........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I wonder what the thought process is when casting their vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 the clue is in the name Social, (definition friendly companionship) surely most of the people you want to (jack) boot out of their homes are elderly and often living in a neighbourhood they have lived in for years and are used too, perhaps those that disagree with them living in luxury can take heart that being elderly that wont have that long to live, why not build some more houses the government could compulsory purchase some of the land owned by the large supermarkets, anyway this is off topic so unless UKIP have any plans for social housing I will leave you to it. Very off topic I know but If any one of the recipients of housing benefit is of pensionable age then the housing benefit does not get reduced. Therefore the argument that it penalises the elderly is not true. Also it should be noted that there has always been a reduction in housing benefit for unused rooms in the private sector (when the landlord is private landlord). All that the spare rooms subsidy change did was bring the social housing sector in line with the private sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) How about bringing in the right to buy from private landlords? Can't see it can you? Edited April 14, 2015 by felly100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) I've heard this from you time and time again, my other half is in housing for our local authority and she is the first to say this is so far overdue its ridiculous. Why provide social housing that is far in excess of peoples needs. They are desperate for a way of getting pople out of their larger houses once their children have left home. Why should the state pay for someone to live in a 3 bed house when it is just them because they have had previous need? All the bedroom tax is meant to do is push people into moving into more suitable accomodation. I can't be bothered with the rest of your ranting about the current mob who seem to have kept our head above water and the economy thriving with the best performing in the world.... Very off topic I know but If any one of the recipients of housing benefit is of pensionable age then the housing benefit does not get reduced. Therefore the argument that it penalises the elderly is not true. Also it should be noted that there has always been a reduction in housing benefit for unused rooms in the private sector (when the landlord is private landlord). All that the spare rooms subsidy change did was bring the social housing sector in line with the private sector. Thanks for that AVB my knee jerk reaction to al4x was based on my late parents, they brought up 4 kids in a 3 bed council house which was their home and the thought that some scrote from the council (after selling off houses at ridiculous prices) should decide that my parents should move or pay more tax for bedrooms that they may or may not use, a bit disturbing, hows UKIP getting on ? Edited April 14, 2015 by islandgun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 in fairness to kw at least he dont benefit bash at every opportunity and he does put up a sensible argument for the most part, god knows he knows i dont see eye to eye with him on a few things but i can respect the fact he stands for something he believes in. I would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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