welsh1 Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Nigel in Hartlepool today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Damn never knew he was here today, would have taken the day off work to see if I could have been there, what a wonderful and truthful speech, Ian Wright the present labour joke of an MP is seriously passing razorblades via his rectum that the voter here whilst may be not giving a return for UKIP will not be far off and as said 2020 bye bye labour up here and good riddance too KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 It is a big thing apparently. Read here. Thanks for that. Utterly irrelevant in the Tory stronghold in which I live. After reading the manifesto and listening to the local hustings I hope the UKIP vote sends out a big message and I think it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) That is a very salient point Biggsy, they do tell people what they want to hear and that is why they are popular. Sometimes though it isn't about what you want to hear, it is about what is achievable or what is most important to the majority. Setting that aside, fair play to you for voting the way that you feel is correct, that is the most important principle of democracy regardless of what anybody else thinks about your choice. It is your choice and you should follow your own belief system. I had forgotten about that thread Rob. If its not about what you want to hear how can it be about anything else?when I go to a meeting I say right lets talk through the agenda , I dont say has the weather been nice and now lets discuss anything not relevant as to why I am actually here in the first place, UKIP like it or not are now strengthening not because they are talking about irrelevant points they are talking about the points that are affecting a hell of a lot of people NOW and letting them know they are listening to them by talking about it, or should they like the other parties dismiss all summarily as bigots, aka George the one eyed bumbling jock clown (did him the world of good that ) Oh and perhaps the term telling them whats good for them is trite condescending the man or woman with the pen and a place to mark an x will decide whats good for them. KW Edited April 28, 2015 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Thanks for that. Utterly irrelevant in the Tory stronghold in which I live. After reading the manifesto and listening to the local hustings I hope the UKIP vote sends out a big message and I think it will. Amen to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Danged if I'd vote again for someone who has openly lied to and ignored his voters just to stop someone else winning. I'll vote for the person who declares he will close the borders to our overstretched NHS, benefits system, schools, over populated cities, queues for everything yada yada. Our country was full a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 If its not about what you want to hear how can it be about anything else?when I go to a meeting I say right lets talk through the agenda , I dont say has the weather been nice and now lets discuss anything not relevant as to why I am actually here in the first place, UKIP like it or not are now strengthening not because they are talking about irrelevant points they are talking about the points that are affecting a hell of a lot of people NOW and letting them know they are listening to them by talking about it, or should they like the other parties dismiss all summarily as bigots, aka George the one eyed bumbling jock clown (did him the world of good that ) Oh and perhaps the term telling them whats good for them is trite condescending the man or woman with the pen and a place to mark an x will decide whats good for them. KW What you want to hear and what is achievable by the party in power are two different things which is why they can't always do as they have promised... You don't seem to grasp this based on your previous posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mick.j Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 I think Nigel would love a Tory/UkIP coalition. I just hope that more people will vote this time around and not sit on there *****, then complain afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 If its not about what you want to hear how can it be about anything else?when I go to a meeting I say right lets talk through the agenda , I dont say has the weather been nice and now lets discuss anything not relevant as to why I am actually here in the first place, UKIP like it or not are now strengthening not because they are talking about irrelevant points they are talking about the points that are affecting a hell of a lot of people NOW and letting them know they are listening to them by talking about it, or should they like the other parties dismiss all summarily as bigots, aka George the one eyed bumbling jock clown (did him the world of good that ) Oh and perhaps the term telling them whats good for them is trite condescending the man or woman with the pen and a place to mark an x will decide whats good for them. KW KW I am not anti UKIP, I have said that many times on this forum and I certainly have not attempted to try and persuade people to change their vote either. I enjoy the political debate and hearing others opinions, it is educational and sometimes influential. What I did say is that people telling you what you want to hear is not always good counsel, sometimes you need to be told what is achievable and not just told something to sooth sensitivities. I think that UKIP are performing a hugely valuable service in British politics and I have also said that I think it is a travesty that a party with 13% or so of the popular vote will be outnumbered 40 or 50 to 1 in the house of commons by a party with 4% of the vote (SNP), but such is the way of things in our current democratic system Now what you and the other kippers might want to hear is that with 13% of the vote that UKIP will be a significant influencer in the house of commons, but the truth that you don't want to hear is that they won't be. 1 solitary vote, or maybe 2 if they are very lucky, will not achieve any consistent power or influence in our democratic processes. They will of course have and have had a significant influence in establishing policy by the other parties and that should not be discounted, in fact more power to their elbow for that. I didn't suggest at all that someone should be told what is good for them, but sadly you have a terrible habit of making false inference from some posts to suit your own agenda, maybe that is just you reading into something that you want to be the case, maybe you also like to be told what you want to hear regardless of the validity of what is being said. I explicitly said people should vote for what they believe in and have always said that. I would encourage people to try and be as well informed as they can be, but ultimately their choice is what matters most to them and that is what they should stay honest to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 This may be an interesting exercise for some of you and probably not so for others. The website linked below takes you through a series of questions based on published policy for each party, some of which are very obvious who wrote them and some less so. It is a little bit blunt, but then one X in 1 box as per our election process is also blunt. For the record I was 60% Conservative, 30% Lib Dem and 10% UKIP based on selecting every survey area. https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey/1/select-issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 What you want to hear and what is achievable by the party in power are two different things which is why they can't always do as they have promised... You don't seem to grasp this based on your previous posts. And what you dont seem to grasp is that I gave them (the cons) a go but they lied to me, you might call it a promise broken I call it a lie, and so far the only ones who have lied are the ones you want me to vote for again, well sorry no I wont, and if it takes another 20 years I want to see the cons and the party that used to be labour and now led by by millipede and his PC left wing freaks become nothing more than a distant (bad) memory nope UKIP for me and an awful lot more in my constituency a previous labour stronghold. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 This may be an interesting exercise for some of you and probably not so for others. The website linked below takes you through a series of questions based on published policy for each party, some of which are very obvious who wrote them and some less so. It is a little bit blunt, but then one X in 1 box as per our election process is also blunt. For the record I was 60% Conservative, 30% Lib Dem and 10% UKIP based on selecting every survey area. https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey/1/select-issues A clever exercise in getting you to come up with the answer they want, rather than you would expect its simply done by skewing the questions, its an old trick but it still works. KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 A clever exercise in getting you to come up with the answer they want, rather than you would expect its simply done by skewing the questions, its an old trick but it still works. KW To be honest it's not that clever or sophisticated. It is just asking which set of policy statements do you like the most. It is really for those that vote for the party name without really understanding what the party might stand for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 I came out as 100% Conservative. Which was surprising as I thought I might be a little bit UKIP. When you look at the local and country wide stats Libour, Greens and Lib Dem are level pegging. What does that tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) I was surprised at my result as well AVB, I thought I may have been more Conservative, but comfortable with what the answer was. Not sure if the stats get skewed because people may opt to only choose certain issues for the questionnaire. The results are not at all what I expected for the nationwide summaries either. It is really scary to see in Scotland that the Green party are top with SNP second, I may have to leave at this rate as I will be hounded out as a capitalist devil. Really going off at a tangent I would like to see some data around the level of social media interaction for each party too, I suspect that the left leaning parties actually have a much higher level of social media engagement. That is certainly true in Scotland and the SNP are really hugely impressive in how they have embraced social tools, would be a really good business case study. I could be very controversial and say that the lazy and feckless who sit around at home all day have the most time to engage online, whilst posting onto Facebook from their smartphone and broadband connection moaning how they have to eat food bank issued beans, and that is the core of the socialist vote But that would simply be stoking controversy just for the sake of it. Edited April 28, 2015 by grrclark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 And what you dont seem to grasp is that I gave them (the cons) a go but they lied to me, you might call it a promise broken I call it a lie, and so far the only ones who have lied are the ones yrou want me to vote for again, well sorry no I wont, and if it takes another 20 years I want to see the cons and the party that used to be labour and now led by by millipede and his PC left wing freaks become nothing more than a distant (bad) memory nope UKIP for me and an awful lot more in my constituency a previous labour stronghold. KW You sound like a jilted lover, angry that have believed the sweet talk from too many charmers. Politicians do sometimes lie, obviously, but they also set out their aspirations for the country - every time you hear a politician set out their stall you have to remember that they can only deliver a small fraction of those inspirations. No matter what party are in control, and that would include ukip, they will not deliver everything they promised, if you are lucky you get a fraction of the promises. That's politics and ukip will be no different. If you stop being so trusting and you'll stop being disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 You sound like a jilted lover, angry that have believed the sweet talk from too many charmers. Politicians do sometimes lie, obviously, but they also set out their aspirations for the country - every time you hear a politician set out their stall you have to remember that they can only deliver a small fraction of those inspirations. No matter what party are in control, and that would include ukip, they will not deliver everything they promised, if you are lucky you get a fraction of the promises. That's politics and ukip will be no different. If you stop being so trusting and you'll stop being disappointed. I will take the chance thanks , you stick to the same old **** KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Nigel in Hartlepool today. just more racist rhetoric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 I'm listening. I'm not hearing the 'racist rhetoric'? Is it me? I'm pretty impartial at the moment, but so far (I'm at 4 minutes in) it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 just more racist rhetoric Seems you cannot put an input into this thread without a bigoted comment, I will ask you again, I want to and am going to vote UKIP am I a racist? KW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 just more racist rhetoric Are you on drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Has anyone had a go at this quiz/game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Farage has just been on BBC Look North (Cumbria and N.East) and recorded as claiming Milliband is a liar. As clear, precise and as blunt as that. It will be interesting to see if Milliband responds tomorrow. Tell it like it is Nigel. Can't source a link for current Look North prog's unfortunately. Latest one is dated the 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 I wish that more politicians called it as they see it. I expect bucket loads of moral indignation directed towards him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Farage has just been on BBC Look North (Cumbria and N.East) and recorded as claiming Milliband is a liar. As clear, precise and as blunt as that. It will be interesting to see if Mrilliband responds tomorrow. Tell it like it is Nigel. Can't source a link for current Look North prog's unfortunately. Latest one is dated the 8th. He does speak his mind, although it has yo be said that he really doesn't like it when others point out his disingenuous rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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