Redditch Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Just smile be polite and ignore them iif that doesn't work point out to them that they are trespassing on private land Did that to exactly the same guy two years ago.This time he came with a mate, but I was also not alone. However, like I said, I tend to just say "oh sorry, I will ensure it doesn't happen again" even though I know that a) NO shots were fired with 30 degrees either side of his house, and b) he's well out of range, and No WIND in his direction, but against our shot. If plod come I can prove he's bull****ting again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Do aggravated trespass laws apply over there like they do here. i.e. someone trespassing and preventing you from going about a lawful activity. It was used to prosecute protesters stopping farmers planting GM crops but also applies to shooting anti's on game shoots have been charged as well. Could keep him off your case if it does apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Mention to the farmer that the field next to your "friends" place of residence, requires some extra nitrogen introducing to the grass/crop/soil. He should then, being a responsible farmer, start spreading manure/slurry onto the ground. He should then form a midden with the extra that he can't spread as our "European friend" (the EU), prohibits organic fertilisation during certain times of the year He should then have a true image and smell of country life right through the forthcoming festive season if it's pig ****, even better :sick: Edited September 9, 2015 by shoot and be safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Couple of comments - there is no "law" that specifies any distance ( other than the centre of a Highway regulation, not relevant here). The NGB of clay targets, the CPSA determined in the 1930s by firing shot down the canal nr the Eley works that 300yds seemed to safely exceed max distance of travel. This was metrified to 275m and adopted by Police etc as a std rule for things like sec 11.6 permits etc. In 2005 the CPSA decided the ancient 300yd/275m rule had no scientific basis, and could prove difficult in a law case, so they and other interested parties funded Dr Allsop to do a scientific paper at Shrivenham ranges. He determined that shot 6 travelled 210m, 8s and 9s < 200m. Windage was determined to add up to 50m drift, forward and sideways.The cpsa adopted a dual rule of Nos 6 - 7.5 stayed at 275m, but, subject to an inspection and risk assessment a dispensation could be granted for 8 - 10s ( ie mainly for skeet) and these could be used in a 250m range. The best defence is to the uninformed is to have a Risk Assessment prepared, which you have copied to the local council EHO. That's who is more likely to respond to a complaint, and if this clearly shows your arc of fire to 275m falls entirely within the permission land, and does not cover any public access points, ie bridleways etc, it is probable he will simply tell the complainers there is no basis for action, as mere annoyance has no legal basis for stopping you shooting. Its also fair to comment that many complainers only do so because they are not pre-informed of shooting activities about to take place. Circulating to housing within about 1/2mile that you have a consent, and these are your contact details, and this is when we might shoot, means no nasty surprises for unsuspecting shoot neighbours, and they can plan social activities around shooting activity if its sensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Did that to exactly the same guy two years ago. This time he came with a mate, but I was also not alone. However, like I said, I tend to just say "oh sorry, I will ensure it doesn't happen again" even though I know that a) NO shots were fired with 30 degrees either side of his house, and b) he's well out of range, and No WIND in his direction, but against our shot. If plod come I can prove he's bull******** again Why apologise if u havenae done anything wrong?? I'd say u will be adding fuel to the fire in his strange mind, thinking wot ever he's imagining IS shot. Yes be nice but state u we're not shooting in that direction so impossible, also explain the wind direction too. Possible if he realised u take all these things into consideration before each shot and know his house is there he might mellow (althou doubtful) Possibly something is blowing of trees and he wrongly believes it to be shot? and has put 2 and 2 together Or if u want to apologise apologise for disturbing him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 A couple of years ago on beaters day on a big 'titled' estate a cyclist started to give me grief about shooting over a public highway - I had the end peg in a field corner with a very small lane between me and the wood being driven out. Shot a nice cock and this flouresant-clad being came into to view 200 yds to my right. Anyhow as he started his rant about what he termed illegal activity I let him have it (in my poshest accent) - I'm a lawyer by training and young man you are basically talking out of your ****! He shut up and rode off at speed. Next gun, just inside wood, saw/heard this an found it quite funny. It was a perfectly legal shot with the bird taken directly overhead (saw it late), I was 30-40 yds inside field and Im sure at point of shot cyclist was not in view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The Highways act does not preclude shooting over a public highway - only if it will cause distress, ie frighten horses etc. So its perfectly in order to shoot over footpaths etc if there are no users on it. Also, a walker / rider etc may only progress on a footpath, they cannot deliberately linger in such a way as too interfere with the shooting, nor may they wander off it to interrupt your legitimate activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Hows about this for townie lunacy my mate had a fella from london whos something to do with the BBC move into a cottage next to his farm and this guy came out one morning ranting about the noise of the cows mooing!and the smell of cow poo! And could my mate "please keep them quiet and clean up the cow pats that were smelling"he was advised to jog on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Hows about this for townie lunacy my mate had a fella from london whos something to do with the BBC move into a cottage next to his farm and this guy came out one morning ranting about the noise of the cows mooing!and the smell of cow poo! And could my mate "please keep them quiet and clean up the cow pats that were smelling"he was advised to jog on.Aww, bless him. How sweet. I would wager that hus mother still made the aeroplane sound when she spoon fed him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I think I read on here somewhere that in law falling shot was not covered in the same way as full bore rounds are, obviously I am not suggesting being stupid about things but if this is the case and you can verify this then if plod does challenge you with your map that very useful scan and possibly the relevant law plod might just end up on you side :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Yesterday I laser scanned his house from where we were shooting Saturday. It's 535 metres from our position, and wind was coming from north at good gust, while his house was to the west of us. We ensured that no shot was taken within a 30 degree arc either side of his house, as he's known to be "an irritable ****" Today was shooting, and we were at a different farm, and he was visiting his son (who lives next to THAT farm). His sons house was 150-200 metres to the right and rear of the direction we were shooting (along with a whole row of other houses and bungalows), so we ONLY shot 45 degrees forward to the right, and then in an arc around to about 45 degrees to the left behind us, plus incoming overhead shots to the front, NOT a single shot to the right rear. Wind was again in our favour, blowing AWAY from the houses, Started shooting at 07:06 and at 08:00 sharp got a phone call from the farmers mother saying to stop shooting, as "he" was complaining shot was falling on his house. We didn't fire a single shot anywhere near his or the other houses. BUT, to keep the peace, we packed up and moved to another field on another farm :( What was set to become a 200-300 bird day, ended with about 50+ , and us watching flocks of 10-20-30-40-50 and more birds coming in as we packed up :( At the next field the birds weren't interested, so we packed up again after another 2 hours Edited September 11, 2015 by Redditch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Take the farmer with you next time and wait for the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Take the farmer with you next time and wait for the call. It was the farmers mother who called us to stop shooting, as they were on her door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'd have a word with farmers/mothers etc and tell them the score, u have the right to shoot there and they have the right to protect there crops. U sound like u've taken all the precaautions u should (must admit i wouldnae bother with all te range/distances, if ur not shooting to wards there house the range/distasnce is fairly irrelevant) 1 person should not be able to dictate to others doing something legally on there own land. Dunn how it works over there but possibly informing polis before u start shooting and even warn ur FEO, usually i'd not do either of those but in this instance probably sensible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted September 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'd have a word with farmers/mothers etc and tell them the score, u have the right to shoot there and they have the right to protect there crops. U sound like u've taken all the precaautions u should (must admit i wouldnae bother with all te range/distances, if ur not shooting to wards there house the range/distasnce is fairly irrelevant) 1 person should not be able to dictate to others doing something legally on there own land. Dunn how it works over there but possibly informing polis before u start shooting and even warn ur FEO, usually i'd not do either of those but in this instance probably sensible The trouble is, the farmers mother is anti too (although none of her sons are) so him knocking on her door just gave her ammunition to rant too. They know that, and hence went to her, rather than to the farmer, as the farmers would have told them to join the Foreign Office, or letters similar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) Mention to the farmer that the field next to your "friends" place of residence, requires some extra nitrogen introducing to the grass/crop/soil. He should then, being a responsible farmer, start spreading manure/slurry onto the ground. He should then form a midden with the extra that he can't spread as our "European friend" (the EU), prohibits organic fertilisation during certain times of the year He should then have a true image and smell of country life right through the forthcoming festive season if it's pig ****, even better :sick: oh yes - or a spot of turkey litter perhaps? I know a farmer down in Dorset who had a city lawyer buy a house at the end of one of the farm lanes. Lawyer marched up to said farmer to complain about the smell 'of the cows'. Next morning he of the red corduroys woke to find a large muck pile on the other side of his hedge. Karmic. The Highways act does not preclude shooting over a public highway - only if it will cause distress, ie frighten horses etc. So its perfectly in order to shoot over footpaths etc if there are no users on it. Also, a walker / rider etc may only progress on a footpath, they cannot deliberately linger in such a way as too interfere with the shooting, nor may they wander off it to interrupt your legitimate activity. I do love the look on people's faces when you have cause to say that they are loitering - most of them have never heard of it. It is a lovely way of stopping someone's rant in it's tracks. Edited September 12, 2015 by LeadWasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srspower Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) I had someone call the police when i was shooting over some stubble last year. The police lady who came out was actually very pleasant and she said they were worried my shot might land on the playing fields 500+ yards away. I showed her my cartridges and explained the effective range and that i was shooting towards my own car that distance away so i obviously wouldn't do that if the shot would go that far. And she was fine about it, she just asked to ring the farmer on my phone to check i had permission. She didn't even ask to see my SGC as she had run my number plates. I think the guy who rang the police just didn't like the noise when he was sitting in his garden. Edited September 12, 2015 by srspower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 I had a conversation this week with one of my local RFD's (and fine man) who is also a local farmer. He has a range etc etc etc. on his farm and similarly frustrating neighbour (who has a 'duck pond'). As the RFD says the countryside is an industrial environment (farming is after all a primary industry which Nat Parks tend to forget). It's been shaped by man and machine and is noisy. He has also pointed out to this neighbour that his own land was once an ironworks - the reservoirs being known as 'hammer ponds' for a reason!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Some time ago I had someone moan to the farmer about falling shoot. The farmer was with me when I shot that time and put them straight pretty quick. Hence I suggested taking the farmer with you. Up to you really.get run off by an anti who dislikes the noise or (tactfully) stand your ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Some time ago I had someone moan to the farmer about falling shoot. The farmer was with me when I shot that time and put them straight pretty quick. Hence I suggested taking the farmer with you. Up to you really.get run off by an anti who dislikes the noise or (tactfully) stand your ground. or even get the farmer to use a gas gun for a bit - you never know the anti may appreciate the comparative quiet of shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Or set the gas gun up and wait with it, I'll bet he comes over to complain of shot falling over his property, record him making a tit of himself Edited September 13, 2015 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Shot raining on roof shouldnt be of much concern. He would have to prove damage to have any leg to stand on. Then it couldn't be proved who's shot did what. Some city farmers are really annoying. I had a guy tell me that shotguns can't kill anything, and his .22lr can do 50p groups at 400yards. They told me they started farming just to get government grants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted September 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Some city farmers are really annoying. I had a guy tell me that shotguns can't kill anything, and his .22lr can do 50p groups at 400yards. They told me they started farming just to get government grants. We have one of those up the road too. Has 20 cattle and 2 fields LOL. He doesn't allow any shooting, and if you are shooting an adjoining farm, be it birds or foxes, he comes out waving his arms, shining mirrors or lights, and banging tins :( None of the other farmers like him either Edited September 13, 2015 by Redditch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 How about this for hilarity and madness. We rent a cottage out on the edge of Winderemere ( 400yds from door to water) A recent comment in the visitors book was complaining about too much weed and algae in the lake. Obviously our fault!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted September 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 How about this for hilarity and madness. We rent a cottage out on the edge of Winderemere ( 400yds from door to water) A recent comment in the visitors book was complaining about too much weed and algae in the lake. Obviously our fault!! Townies go to the countryside (either to live or to have a holiday) and always find something to complain about. They would prefer nature to be like Beatrix Potters "Peter Rabbit" or Roald Dahls "Mr Fox" and if it isn't they complain. They should go back to their towns and stay there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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