propercartridges Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 you people have to tell me what you want now the talking point is what do you consider to be best the shot is tower dropped and round I can put nickel or copper in but that works out with the vat about 22 pounds a thousand on 32 gram now when I try hard shot I was at birstall near malton shooting partridges you could see the bird was hit but used to glide of and was found later the shot was going through the bird that though was 5 % antimony maybe go with 2 or 3% but anyway what in your opinion is the best to buy thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Diamond shot (as used by gamebore) seems to be a good compromise of polished but not plated and hardness. Certainly gives good reliable patterns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 aye mr stonepark but wat is diamond shot I mean what is it 2 3 or 5% lead then polished then coated you can put a bowler hat on a pig but its still a pig and the magic question how much more and will people pay the difference everybody is on about the price of cartridges I can honestly say on some loads the vat man x 20% gets more out the job than me hows that got to go to work catch up with you all tonight phone if urgent 07714 323 909 george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Diamond is 3% from memory, some of the high end loads are 5% to 6% and as you have noticed, whilst great for long range clay strikes, do not deform on impact and may exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 so mr stonepark you say to get some lead in and rather than pay to have it coated have it polished you see I was under the impression that exaggerated ord lead is like a golf ball with little dimples in it and when you coat it it kinda puts that last finish to it and smooths it out letting it fly better but ill speak to mr loccatelli and ask about the polish job thanks for that cheers george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Golf balls have dimples to make them fly better, surely the same applies to shot. I've seen fallen shot on cars at Simo game days and when looked at had dimples like a golf ball off being fired. Softer shot for game must be better. Polished shot may have a touch less resistance but it's it drag that slows down shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 like I said earlier I shot some hard lead and it passed through the birds I now put 2 or 3% in my cartridges and no problem so why do people crave for harder shot to look good on pattern plates but do pattern plates tell the truth ?maybe on a sitting rabbit but not on a flying bird once read about an American who shot a passing train to get a true pattern as the train was moving well have put a few feelers out lets see what comes back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Hevi-shot gives tighter patterns than lead, and it's all shapes. Density seems to have more affect than shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Hevi-shot gives tighter patterns than lead, and it's all shapes. Density seems to have more affect than shape. Tungsten matrix is the same, not at all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I continually find shot in birds and it's just as round as when it was in the cartridge, I think this is allot of nonsense TBH, the copper shot is meant to improve pattern not penetration! Stick with your lead shot george it's doing the business for me without any worries! The biggest improvement in any cartridge is the wad, especially with regards to pattern and it's the most over looked part by any manner of means. Viri/FOB build the foundation of their cartridges on wad design that allows the shot to be released from the wad in a ball to improve pattern. I have inspected loads of shot wads and truly believe the wads with strong connections between the petals offset the pattern slightly! If you look at a black gold, it has the same cheap wad as a clear pigeon, so what are you really paying for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 This is an example from the Viri website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I would be happy with 5% antinomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Johnnytheboy I have quite often picked up fired wads where only the petals on one side have opened up. That has to throw the shot off as the wad will twist and turn as it opens. Poor wads poor patterns, got to be true. Some of the best patterns I've seen are with Georges clay carts, I've not got many left now but the softest shooting cart in 28gram I've used. You need to start making some Propper Sporting or Little Devils again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Here is an example of a FOB wad, the same can be found in NSI cartridges, I have inspected fired wads and the petals have broken away consistently. The only other cartridge manufacturer that takes this in to consideration is Mirage as the pre-slit their wads during loading before the shot goes into the hull, they open consistently as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 These wads are the worst offenders for not breaking correctly, found in gamebore black gold, Rottweiler tigers, hull high pheasant extreme, gamebore pure gold, Eley VIP photo degradable, gamebore clear pigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus1988 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 They look like the B&P Z2M-24 wads? After finding my home load wads weren't opening properly I now spilt the petal connectors before I insert the wad into the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Cheap *** wad if you ask me, I do the same, I kind of prefer the gulandi version for my homeloads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Best wads by far in my opinion are LBC steel wads with lead shot .they shoot devastating patterns at range with just 2 slits. Dipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Cheap *** wad if you ask me, I do the same, I kind of prefer the gulandi version for my homeloads Shot more 100 straights in DTL with express super comps than any other cartridge when they used B&P Z24 wads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 George it's got nothing to do with best components it's all about marketing, nice cases good crimp ,good boxes ,and getting some one good to promote them Some of the supposedly best loads on the market share some components with the cheapest ones Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Dark storm sound oresome when fire like a little artillery piece but don't do the job any better IMHO than black gold supreme game etc. in fact I find my best shots often with supreme game but I've confidence in them having used them for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 right people keep it coming with me its a case of what do you want changing machine soon fibre with over powder cards in 32 gram 70mm 5 and 6s at 199 per 1000 bit discount for more thanks George 07714 323 909 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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