mk 38 Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Hi not sure what go for in my browning 30 inch 20 bore 28g or 30g for all my game shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Don't worry about it :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 28g of 7. 30g of 6.5 or 32g of 6, 36g 5 All above will pattern an kill to 40 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 24-30g all good...would personally keep under 28gunless properly high birds........if yoy are doing somerset/welsh valleys etc then the blackgolds are the puppies privates at a price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Get them both, and mix them up in your cartridge bag. try to tell which is which when you shoot them. If you put the lead on the target and it is in range then it will do what is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I chrono'ed some factory 30 gram 20 gauge loads and they were barely supersonic. You can only put so much lead in front of powder in a given space before the pressures start to rise too much and then you need a large shot size to compensate for the lack of speed, 5s or bigger. Don't get me wrong, my subsonic 1050 fps 30grams of 5 shot homeloads kill well at range and this is what I'll be using for roost shooting later today with the Hushpower but for shot count and speed combined in a normal gun 28 grams of 6 shot is about optimum for general shooting. Anything in the real world 1200-1250fps range is perfect without bashing you up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I chrono'ed some factory 30 gram 20 gauge loads and they were barely supersonic. You can only put so much lead in front of powder in a given space before the pressures start to rise too much and then you need a large shot size to compensate for the lack of speed, 5s or bigger. Don't get me wrong, my subsonic 1050 fps 30grams of 5 shot homeloads kill well at range and this is what I'll be using for roost shooting later today with the Hushpower but for shot count and speed combined in a normal gun 28 grams of 6 shot is about optimum for general shooting. Anything in the real world 1200-1250fps range is perfect without bashing you up. Some subs really reach out and touch stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Back in the 80's a friend and I both bought 20's and after buying a couple of boxes of every cartridge type that we could find on the shelves we both concluded that head and shoulders ahead were Rottweil club 20. These were a small black plastic cased cartridge that gave us great confidence. These were not the tigers and they are not available now. I still have a quantity of these in stock. Several times I have thought that I must get some out and run them over a Chronograph and cut a few open to find out how they were manufactured on what the internal components are. These little cartridges were outstanding and if they were available now we would definitely buy them as I will head and shoulders above almost any other cartridge that we tried. Do any of you cartridge reloading Fanatics know anything of these cartridges and the outstanding performance. They were 6 (I think)and took everything from snipe to duck and fox (at close range) (before the nerds jump up and down). I must go and find a few out of the store and examine them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkAYA Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 24g I find is the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Back in the 80's a friend and I both bought 20's and after buying a couple of boxes of every cartridge type that we could find on the shelves we both concluded that head and shoulders ahead were Rottweil club 20. These were a small black plastic cased cartridge that gave us great confidence. These were not the tigers and they are not available now. I still have a quantity of these in stock. Several times I have thought that I must get some out and run them over a Chronograph and cut a few open to find out how they were manufactured on what the internal components are. These little cartridges were outstanding and if they were available now we would definitely buy them as I will head and shoulders above almost any other cartridge that we tried. Do any of you cartridge reloading Fanatics know anything of these cartridges and the outstanding performance. They were 6 (I think)and took everything from snipe to duck and fox (at close range) (before the nerds jump up and down). I must go and find a few out of the store and examine them. Used a lot of those myself around that time and as you say ,they were a very good shell ! SMI Standard in 24g were great too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Used a lot of those myself around that time and as you say ,they were a very good shell ! SMI Standard in 24g were great too ! SMI standard. They were really good. Orange plastic case. When on the duck I would have an SMI in one tube and a rotie in the other, I have memory of two mallard with one shot using an SMI. one duck was behind another on flight and both were in the pattern. The dog retrieved both at the same time with a wing from each in her mouth. She kept tripping over them as she brought them back in to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 In the 20bore I'm using either 24g of #5 or 26g of #6. You don't really need more lead in the air than either of those and I was happy with both this weekend. I only use 28g of #6 in a 12bore these days too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Nuts Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Depends what I'm shooting but for high greys in the woods and large crows then 32 gram 5's as the large crows are tougher than you think. The recoil doesn't bother me as I primarily shoot a semi auto from the hide. As for all of my other shooting I generally shoot a 30g 6 clear pigeon. For the pheasant on Saturday I shot Pure Gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Back in the 80's a friend and I both bought 20's and after buying a couple of boxes of every cartridge type that we could find on the shelves we both concluded that head and shoulders ahead were Rottweil club 20. These were a small black plastic cased cartridge that gave us great confidence. These were not the tigers and they are not available now. I still have a quantity of these in stock. Several times I have thought that I must get some out and run them over a Chronograph and cut a few open to find out how they were manufactured on what the internal components are. These little cartridges were outstanding and if they were available now we would definitely buy them as I will head and shoulders above almost any other cartridge that we tried. Do any of you cartridge reloading Fanatics know anything of these cartridges and the outstanding performance. They were 6 (I think)and took everything from snipe to duck and fox (at close range) (before the nerds jump up and down). I must go and find a few out of the store and examine them. Memories! I've still got 5 or 6 loose ones in the loft. Used to come in a big box (loose) with a bit of sponge foam to stop them rattling around. I currently use 30g 5's or 6's (Eley VIP's) but need to learn to shoot straight to give an objective view! I am now rethinking whether I need anything over 28g based on the comments above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Nuts Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) I am now rethinking whether I need anything over 28g based on the comments above. Shoot what you like, not what other people recommend you shoot Edited November 30, 2015 by Monkey Nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Shoot what you like, not what other people recommend you shoot I just thought that 20g would benefit from heavier load (and bigger shot size) to compensate. I hadn't factored in the other variables. Really good food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Memories! I've still got 5 or 6 loose ones in the loft. Used to come in a big box (loose) with a bit of sponge foam to stop them rattling around. I currently use 30g 5's or 6's (Eley VIP's) but need to learn to shoot straight to give an objective view! I am now rethinking whether I need anything over 28g based on the comments above. Used a lot of VIP 28g No5`s and they really performed on decent birds.Exceptional for grouse too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkAYA Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 There's a good video in hull's website about the 20b cartridges 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I just thought that 20g would benefit from heavier load (and bigger shot size) to compensate. I hadn't factored in the other variables. Really good food for thought. Compensate for what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Compensate for what? Compared to using a 12g! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 The 20s are just that, extremely light nimble guns, excellent for small birds over moderate to small distances, 50 yards or so. The 12 is synonymous with game shooting, where game is far away and may be more difficult to hit with light 20bore cartridges. The gap between traditional 12 and traditional 20gauge was large, but this day and age 12s just gain the edge because they can do more. Bigger loads, bigger shot, smaller and or faster. The gap got shortened by the powder manufacturers. I can say a decent recipe 20ga 1oz 1200fps #5 is a cracking bird load. Hard to beat really, 21g 1500fps #7 isnt even going to touch a 1oz #5 for distance. Most here haven't shot bigger than 28g and anything more considered magnum. Belting game down with big 36g #4 and #2 is great fun. 28g wouldn't get there. Live with the limitations and strengths. I reload them big old soft shells. They simply are quite amazing. I honestly couldn't care about cost. I've used tons of different shells. There is nothing finer than using the right shell for the job and pulling of a fantastic shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Memories! I've still got 5 or 6 loose ones in the loft. Used to come in a big box (loose) with a bit of sponge foam to stop them rattling around. The box was like a small cardboard suitcase that had a plastic carrying handle that went through a slot in the lid to keep it shut when you carried it and a bit of white expanded foam in the lid of the box. I'm pretty sure that I have a whole complete case / box somewhere in the store. I think that I kept them back because they were so good and I couldn't get anymore that I forgot that i'd got them. I cant even remember how many were in the box. could have been 250 just loose. when I went out decoying I just put a case/box in the motor No boxes of 25. Irony was, took 250, shot about 10. Took 25 and ran out, needed the box of 250. **** law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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