Beagle boy Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Hi all having had my section 1 for just over year I have closed ticket. I've got plenty of land with two farms on my ticket, but a good family friend is a contractor with a hell of a lot of land that they farm. he would like pest control on and has asked me to help him out Am I correct I thinking that unless the land has been fully passed by an feo I can't not shoot there with my any of my rifles as I have a closed ticket? I can use shotgun and sub 12 air rifle for pest control on the land that hasn't been checked with landowners permission is my understanding. Is there anyway to apply for an open ticket? My friend who I've shot with for about 10 years has an open ticket so am I just aswell taking him with me providing the landowners are informed and shooting with him as weare both fully Insured? Cheers rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 All you can do is ask your FEO about having your ticket changed to 'open'. They may do so, or they may say to wait until renewal. As an aside, continually pestering FEOs to pass land, or checking if land has been passed, chasing up on land requests that you have made (if delays), is one way of possibly getting your ticket made open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Depends what you mean by 'closed'. Are you limited to named farms or can you use the rifles on land that has been passed. My first semi-open FAC allowed me to use the rifle on land where the owner of occupier was already using a weapon of similar calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) All you can do is ask your FEO about having your ticket changed to 'open'. They may do so, or they may say to wait until renewal. As an aside, continually pestering FEOs to pass land, or checking if land has been passed, chasing up on land requests that you have made (if delays), is one way of possibly getting your ticket made open. as above, if you don't ask you don't get, I had mine opened up after less than a year.I sent in 3 or 4 forms signed by landowners and left a week or so between sending each one and rang my feo saying I'm not able to keep up with the requests I was getting with my ticket being closed. I had a quick visit from FEO who looked at my ammunition purchases and commented that I appear to be using it lots and he had not heard that I had killed anyone or done anything untoward and agreed it on the spot Edited December 16, 2015 by belly47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Depends what you mean by 'closed'. Are you limited to named farms or can you use the rifles on land that has been passed. My first semi-open FAC allowed me to use the rifle on land where the owner of occupier was already using a weapon of similar calibre. what is a semi open ticket i thought it was open or closed ?? not having a dig just asking as i not heard of semi open colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 I applied for a variation and at the same time asked for my ticket to be "opened" as I'm often asked by neighbouring farmers to help out with the odd fox etc and this request was as and when rather than a dedicated permission. It worked for me Atb Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 what is a semi open ticket i thought it was open or closed ?? not having a dig just asking as i not heard of semi open colin Well it wasn't fully open, was it. A lot of farms where rifles were used, have/had not been inspected, so a lawyer advised the club I was in that it could not be refused if worded that way, but that was over 40 years ago. My first farm was a HomeOffice prison farm in north Devon. I doubt it would be allowed nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 As belly47 I just kept sending in new permissions in six months I had a open ticket they could not keep going to the farms all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Cheshire , wont open until after the first full term. I've tried everything , permission visits , letters from landowners etc, They wont even open my FAC Air slot, and asked that i kept receipts for 'pellet' purchases , as it may help my request. At that point I gave up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 As belly47 I just kept sending in new permissions in six months I had a open ticket they could not keep going to the farms all the time. Same here, pockets of land submitted so many times I must of annoyed them into opening my ticket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 what is a semi open ticket i thought it was open or closed ?? not having a dig just asking as i not heard of semi open colin Going back many years, newly issued fac's named the farm (land) on which the holder could shoot and one could not shoot on any other land. They then opened the wording up to the "any land deemed suitable by the COP" condition and finally, when once one earned ones spurs, came the "open" condition which everyone seems to hanker for. You therefore had, closed, semi open and open. I have not seen the origional truly closed condition, naming the land on which one can shoot, for 20 years or so. C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Hi all having had my section 1 for just over year I have closed ticket. I've got plenty of land with two farms on my ticket, but a good family friend is a contractor with a hell of a lot of land that they farm. he would like pest control on and has asked me to help him out Am I correct I thinking that unless the land has been fully passed by an feo I can't not shoot there with my any of my rifles as I have a closed ticket? I can use shotgun and sub 12 air rifle for pest control on the land that hasn't been checked with landowners permission is my understanding. Is there anyway to apply for an open ticket? My friend who I've shot with for about 10 years has an open ticket so am I just aswell taking him with me providing the landowners are informed and shooting with him as weare both fully Insured? Cheers rob Just be aware that even if you take your pal with you, you will not be able to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 My recently issued ticket is restricted to approved land. New land has to be on the national data base as approved for my calibre which can be checked in a telephone call. Land not on the data base will be visited. I have put in a further 6 pieces and have some more to submit. I have issued a complaint that they are requesting signed forms (by the farmer giving permission to shoot) if i submit them by post rather than over the phone. I think this is contrary to the requirement from the home office. It made no difference although they did confirm that more of my sites were on the data base than they first thought. I will have to continue to get them signed but hopefully most places will be on the register. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Just be aware that even if you take your pal with you, you will not be able to shoot. We go back to the Occupier scenario, which I understand has not actually been 100% defined in Law, so if he uses the Occupiers gun and not his own, he may well be able to shoot on the land, all a bit daft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 FAO said my lad can shot any of my rifles as long as he is under my supervision. How else do they get to know what's right and wrong and it is experience for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 FAO said my lad can shot any of my rifles as long as he is under my supervision. How else do they get to know what's right and wrong and it is experience for him. By shooting rifles and fulfilling the estate rifle clause..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 By shooting rifles and fulfilling the estate rifle clause..... ^this^ questions were raised when i submitted a variation for .223 as I submitted a letter from a friend, and long time FAC holder, stating that i had on numerous occasions used (under his supervision) most of his guns and he deemed me to be a safe and efficient shot. as soon as the local FLO was satisfied that i had only used these guns on his own land, then there wasn't an issue. now, where's my variation form gone.... .300 winmag, here i come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 ^this^ questions were raised when i submitted a variation for .223 as I submitted a letter from a friend, and long time FAC holder, stating that i had on numerous occasions used (under his supervision) most of his guns and he deemed me to be a safe and efficient shot. as soon as the local FLO was satisfied that i had only used these guns on his own land, then there wasn't an issue. now, where's my variation form gone.... .300 winmag, here i come. Being the operative words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Being the operative words. correct'a'mundo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beagle boy Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Thanks for the advice lads it's all very helpful. This weekend there will Be 3 new permission letter going in to be checked, one 600 acres, one 400 acre and on 20 acre the 20 acre will just be for 17 hmr, I'm unsure the 20 acre will be passed as they guy who owns it put in for a 22 a while back and it got turned Down but if you don't ask you don't get. Fingers crossed hay Cheers rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Going back many years, newly issued fac's named the farm (land) on which the holder could shoot and one could not shoot on any other land. They then opened the wording up to the "any land deemed suitable by the COP" condition and finally, when once one earned ones spurs, came the "open" condition which everyone seems to hanker for. You therefore had, closed, semi open and open. I have not seen the origional truly closed condition, naming the land on which one can shoot, for 20 years or so. C cheers Charlie that answers that then only had my fac for 7 years guess that's why i have not heard of it colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Thanks for the advice lads it's all very helpful. This weekend there will Be 3 new permission letter going in to be checked, one 600 acres, one 400 acre and on 20 acre the 20 acre will just be for 17 hmr, I'm unsure the 20 acre will be passed as they guy who owns it put in for a 22 a while back and it got turned Down but if you don't ask you don't get. Fingers crossed hay Cheers rob one of the golf courses i shoot on won't allow .22 but will allow .17hmr, not that it matters now as i am on open ticket colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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