Dr D Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35214536Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse in the middle east, the Sunni kingdom of Saudi Arabia further ****** off the Iranian's by executing a high profile Shi'a cleric and 49 others. Ahhh. So, our old oil rich ally rubs up the new one we need support from to fight Daesh. This will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 These Far East countries make me laugh, they are supposed to be the Holy Land, but all they do is fight! Sad World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 It's very mixed up out there. if people can comit suicide bombings without any problem at all. How long will the Saudi Royal family continue to rule? What would be our governments stance if the Iranians decided to invade and take over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 They have never been able to claw their way out of the stone age . Harnser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 They have never been able to claw their way out of the stone age . Harnser They have no wish to.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 They have never been able to claw their way out of the stone age . Harnser That doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 These Far East countries make me laugh, they are supposed to be the Holy Land, but all they do is fight! Sad World. Yep, I find it ironic that those most holiest of regions appear to be also regions of the most violent intolerance towards others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Yep, I find it ironic that those most holiest of regions appear to be also regions of the most violent intolerance towards others. I know, I remember Enniskillen like it was yesterday. Edited January 2, 2016 by felly100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted January 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 They have never been able to claw their way out of the stone age . Harnser Come on! Really. That wasn't the point of my post! They are hardly living in the stone age! If they were there might be an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) It's very mixed up out there. if people can comit suicide bombings without any problem at all. How long will the Saudi Royal family continue to rule? What would be our governments stance if the Iranians decided to invade and take over? Wouldn't worry about that one on many levels, Iran's military is largely defensive, they have had little choice really as the US has been fooling the pathetically weak minded Saudi's and other Arab nations into thinking Iran is a threat to them so that they can continue to sell them zillions worth of "Offensive" hardware . Meanwhile sanctions have ensured nobody else has been allowed to sell Iran anything worth buying so they in turn have had to go organic and build a poo load of ballistic missiles in a great variety of shapes, size and guises. They have also made no bones about the fact that aggression will be met by launching these by the tens of thousands. The other reason we needn't worry is that regardless of the excellent job the media has done on Iran's public image, they really have been one of the most peaceful nations in the area, as little as 40 years ago they were staunch US allies (yours truly's dad trained in the American army in the mid 60's) and haven't attacked anyone in 300 years. The Taliban killed Iranian diplomats in Kabul back in the 90's yet Iran resisted the temptation to even fire a shot at a target it could easily have taken on. They remain enemies of the Taliban as well as Sunni inspired and funded terror groups such as Isis which they are fighting inside Syria. Iran also helped the US at the start of Gulf War 2 (sorry I meant the fictitious war on terror) with intelligence about the Taliban, America in turn did the snake and went back on its word of renewed, improved relations as a reward - this is/was covered in a documentary on TV, surprisingly ! House of Saud is without doubt one of our biggest problems in terror terms but unfortunately when it comes to terrorism you can play if the price is right. Edited January 2, 2016 by Hamster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Wouldn't worry about that one on many levels, Iran's military is largely defensive, they have had little choice really as the US has been fooling the pathetically weak minded Saudi's and other Arabs nations into thinking Iran is a threat to them so that they can continue to sell them zillions worth of "Offensive" hardware . Meanwhile sanctions have ensured nobody else has been allowed to sell Iran anything worth buying so they in turn have had to go organic and build a poo load of ballistic missiles in a great variety of shapes, size and guises. They have also made no bones about the fact that aggression will be met by launching these by the tens of thousands. The other reason we needn't worry is that regardless of the excellent job the media has done on Iran's public image, they really have been one of the most peaceful nations in the area, as little as 40 years ago they were staunch US allies (yours truly's dad trained in the American army in the mid 60's) and haven't attacked anyone in 300 years. The Taliban killed Iranian diplomats in Kabul back in the 90's yet Iran resisted the temptation to even fire a shot at a target it could easily have taken on. They remain enemies of the Taliban as well as Sunni inspired and funded terror groups such as Isis which they are fighting inside Syria. Iran also helped the US at the start of Gulf War 2 (sorry I meant the fictitious war on terror) with intelligence about the Taliban, America in turn did the snake and went back on its word of renewed, improved relations as a reward - this is/was covered in a documentary on TV, surprisingly ! House of Saud is without doubt one of our biggest problems in terror terms but unfortunately when it comes to terrorism you can play if the price is right. OK I understand that they have been in the wilderness for a long time but what would be our governments stance if they stuck something nasty on the front of a missile and send it off to Ryad in the morning post should it please them. AND it be the will of Allah. It looks like they got more than a pitchfork > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_equipment_manufactured_in_Iran Edited January 2, 2016 by fortune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 OK I understand that they have been in the wilderness for a long time but what would be our governments stance if they stuck something nasty on the front of a missile and send it off to Ryad in the morning post They have the ballistic capability but stand to lose absolutely everything as the result because even allies such as Russia and China will be powerless in the ensuing furore. They have kept out of trouble where possible because they're no fools, an attack on Saudi is simply not an option they'd entertain, there is no gain whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 OK I understand that they have been in the wilderness for a long time but what would be our governments stance if they stuck something nasty on the front of a missile and send it off to Ryad in the morning post should it please them. AND it be the will of Allah. Why would they? For what gain? school boy comment. Peaceful country as far as I can see, from an international angle. They have the ballistic capability but stand to lose absolutely everything as the result because even allies such as Russia and China will be powerless in the ensuing furore. They have kept out of trouble where possible because they're no fools, an attack on Saudi is simply not an option they'd entertain, there is no gain whatsoever. ^^^ this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Everything out there is really random and mixed up. There are a lot of wierd alliances out there. The Turks are buying oil from Issis and Turkish allies are fighting issis.the Russians are bombing the Turkmen allies and yet they are fighting a common enemy. Who knows what the mentality of these people is and what they might do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Everything out there is really random and mixed up. There are a lot of wierd alliances out there. The Turks are buying oil from Issis and Turkish allies are fighting issis.the Russians are bombing the Turkmen allies and yet they are fighting a common enemy. Who knows what the mentality of these people is and what they might do. The Iranians have a very robust mentality, defence, I'm not sure why you're singling out this nation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) May seem a rather strange stance ,but better to have the Saudi royals in charge then the murderous shambles that is now Libya ,Syria ,Iraq ,etc which all have numerous different factions fighting for power in the power vacuum's that followed the "Arab Spring " Can you imagine the carnage a similar civil war and uprising would bring to Saudi . Like i said better of two evils ,but still a horrendous situation all round. Edited January 2, 2016 by Jega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Hamster summed it up well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 The Iranians have a very robust mentality, defence, Unless you're an Israeli, who, if they could, they would wipe them from the face of the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 The Iranians have a very robust mentality, defence, I'm not sure why you're singling out this nation? Have you not seen the news today? I am not singling out anyone. It is just a general comment on the news.The Saudis just executed 47 people in one swipe, one of whom was a leading shia cleric. Iran is not best pleased. I bring to your notice this link. >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35214536 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I'd say it's a good system for dealing with terrorists. If the terrorists are dead they don't need prisons built and financed by others to be feed, sheltered and "re-educated " in. It's just about the only example Britain could learn from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Unless you're an Israeli, who, if they could, they would wipe them from the face of the earth. Wipe who? It's symbiotic. It's a neither statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 The Iranians have a very robust mentality, defence, I'm not sure why you're singling out this nation? I was commenting on the above quote from yourself. I read it as 'The Iranians have a very robust mentality. Defence', Maybe I read it wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I was commenting on the above quote from yourself. I read it as 'The Iranians have a very robust mentality. Defence', Maybe I read it wrong? I'm being slow, I don't understand your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'd say it's a good system for dealing with terrorists. If the terrorists are dead they don't need prisons built and financed by others to be feed, sheltered and "re-educated " in. It's just about the only example Britain could learn from. Believe me I'd have no issue with removal of genuine trouble makers from the scene but it would be tragic to accept these deaths and their executioners assertion that they were all terrorists simply on the say so of a regime such as Saudi Arabia, just because they all had beards we mustn't think their deaths justified. Remember Iran, Syria, Russia and even the West are actually engaged in the fight against extreme Islamic terrorism in the form of Isis etc, and when you look into these entities they all appear to emanate from the less flexible teachings of Sunni/Wahabi leanings which the Saudi and their close Allies practice ! The Iranian regime will be making plenty of appropriate noises (even allowing their embassy to be looted) hoping to keep the Saudi acts high profile but I'd wager that secretly they're sniggering at the hole the Saudi's are digging for themselves and their backers. The Saudi's have been damaging their own reputation abroad and popularity at home with their attack on fellow Arabs Yemen and beheadings at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 The most recent member to the UN human rights council! Whose accession was supported by the UK. Fills me with pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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