aka_t50 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Evening all I've just got in from a shift at a well known supermarket what I saw and herd today beggars belief I was working away in a relatively busy supermarket when out of the corner of my eye I spot a bloke in cammo carrying a gun bag there were a few customers looking as he went past but most were none the wiser that in its self wasn't the issue no laws broken no intimidation but when he went through the tills the lad on the till a fellow shooter asked him what he was carrying in general conversation to which he reply a .22 air rifle that he had just had re sprung and tuned up to 19ftlb at this point he had costumers all around him luckily none of whom had enough knowledge to realise that the bloke was carrying a firearm he then went on to say he had been shooting rabbits on the local cannel towpaths! the bloke on the till couldn't believe that he had more or less just walked into a supermarket with an illegal firearm and admitted to it at a crowded till of people luckily no one knew or had any concerns so he walked out as he walked in but it could have been so different! what is other peoples thoughts Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Surely it's only illegal if he doesn't have a FAC ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Yes he may have a FAC in which case the gun is legal , not too likely he will have permission to shoot the canal tow path though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_t50 Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 yes my thoughts exactly and in my local area there is a lot of people that have there air rifle tuned to 18-25 ftlbs without fac my thoughts were more towards would a responsible shooter trying to portray the sport in the right light walk with a gun into a crowded supermarket and then mouth off about its power ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftycarper Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Yes he may have a FAC in which case the gun is legal , not too likely he will have permission to shoot the canal tow path though. Nor a supermarket either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I don't get it. I understand the shooting rabbits on a towpath bit ( very dubious ) but it may well have been a legally held gun. He was asked what it was and replied ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Yes he may have a FAC in which case the gun is legal , not too likely he will have permission to shoot the canal tow path though. For the purposes of the Firearms Act, the canal towpath is a Public Place ! The likelihood of the Section 1 air gun being legally held is slim, how many FAC holders do you know that would risk all, by shooting on a canal towpath ? Problem is, should he get caught and the Press get hold of it, things will be blown out of all proportion and the rest of us bear the flack. An anonymous call to Crimestoppers springs to mind ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayDT10 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 He may of thought the car weren't the best place for his gun on this occasion and wanted it in his possession and If it's slipped he's well within his rights to do so. As for the shooting rabbits from footpaths , I shoot a lot of rabbits from footpaths that go through farms I shoot with a rimfire day and night but note the word FROM as apposed to up or across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I reckon you need full facts speculating he had no FAC only puts the chap concerned and the rest of us shooters in a bad light Speculation is the mother of all **** ups BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) I was walking on a tow path as a lad and I was watching 2 blokes shooting down the canal at bottles On another occasion in the same spot I was talking to a couple of blokes with springers shooting anything that moved and they both bragged about the 18ftlb and 40ftlb break barrels they were using ( in his dreams) These idiots were all on public towpaths and shooting across water into a blind bend Edited January 17, 2016 by team tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I'm thinking if the police are on pw then you might receive a pm given that the gentleman in question has probably been caught on camera carrying an illegal firearm. You could save them the bother and report the incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Again. how do we know it's illegal was he asked if he had a FAC ? no. op stated it was illegal and that's taken as verbatim. good ol PW. Hang him, get police to stake out the supermarket 24/7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 He may of thought the car weren't the best place for his gun on this occasion and wanted it in his possession and If it's slipped he's well within his rights to do so. As for the shooting rabbits from footpaths , I shoot a lot of rabbits from footpaths that go through farms I shoot with a rimfire day and night but note the word FROM as apposed to up or across. FAC and his legality is just assuming.... However, shopping with a gun on his back...? I don't think there's any justifiable 'good reason' to have a firearm (air rifle) in a supermarket - end of! It should have been taken home first or locked in the boot of his car - preferably within his sight. That bloke is an out and out idiot and exactly the sort of person the shooting community can do without. Oh, and we shoot across footpaths all the time. The footpath across a farm is a usually a right of access not public property, so just access your risks before shooting. The info is out there with regard to legal activities and impeding the progress of footpath users etc and should be common knowledge of any shooter. Make sure you know the law, because if you are ever challenged you cannot rely on the average bobby or bobble-hat to know it verbatim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I am not sure I can add to the above.... but what was he buying from the supermarket ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) The gun itself wouldn't have been illegal if he had an FAC. Or more likely he was talking rubbish. Edited January 17, 2016 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I am not sure I can add to the above.... but what was he buying from the supermarket ? Rabbit lol The gin itself wouldn't have been illegal if he had an FAC. Or more likely he was talking rubbish. Gin lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Again. how do we know it's illegal was he asked if he had a FAC ? no. op stated it was illegal and that's taken as verbatim. good ol PW. Hang him, get police to stake out the supermarket 24/7. The gentleman who started the post said it was illegal. And since he was there listening to the conversation I am assuming his post is accurate. If not then you have a point. Still don't think it is good idea to walk around the shops with a gun in a bag, legality aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Maybe he was towing his home behind his transit and thought it was not safe to leave the gun in the "home" or vehicle in the Morrissons carpark. The police may well support this notion. He really should have parked in Waitrose and left the gun secured in his "home" though.. Edited January 17, 2016 by malkiserow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) The legality was an assumption which then moved to the more pertinent point being shooting rabbits from a towpath. It's not a good idea I agree but it's not against the law to take your gun with you. picking hairs but op didn't say he was privy to the conversation so I'm guessing it's what he was told. I'm out, call the police op and advise us when they attend and the outcome Edited January 17, 2016 by digger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) The gentleman who started the post said it was illegal. And since he was there listening to the conversation I am assuming his post is accurate. If not then you have a point. Still don't think it is good idea to walk around the shops with a gun in a bag, legality aside. Firstly as already posted the chap could have held a FAC for the air rifle,secondly at this point the only chap to know if it was illegal or not was the chap carrying It (or at least he should) without running it over a chrono, no one could prove otherwise I agree going into a supermarket with a rifle is not the most sensible thing to do,but some folk do silly things Edited January 17, 2016 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Maybe he was just a misguided Walt trying to draw attention to himself and lied or grossly exaggerated when replying to the questions. The whole thing could have been his fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Maybe he was just a misguided Walt trying to draw attention to himself and lied or grossly exaggerated when replying to the questions. The whole thing could have been his fantasy. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Maybe he was just a misguided Walt trying to draw attention to himself and lied or grossly exaggerated when replying to the questions. The whole thing could have been his fantasy. PW member ? BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby199 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 FAC and his legality is just assuming.... However, shopping with a gun on his back...? I don't think there's any justifiable 'good reason' to have a firearm (air rifle) in a supermarket - end of! It should have been taken home first or locked in the boot of his car - preferably within his sight. That bloke is an out and out idiot and exactly the sort of person the shooting community can do without. Oh, and we shoot across footpaths all the time. The footpath across a farm is a usually a right of access not public property, so just access your risks before shooting. The info is out there with regard to legal activities and impeding the progress of footpath users etc and should be common knowledge of any shooter. Make sure you know the law, because if you are ever challenged you cannot rely on the average bobby or bobble-hat to know it verbatim. I agree with your point about assumption, buts that’s where it stops. Firstly despite recommending a shooter knowing the intricacies of gun law. It really should not be incumbent upon shooters because of the misconceptions of the public at large and ineptitude of our police force to know the law. Further to this, and onto my main point if its in the slip take it to church for all I care. Your being hypocritical, you are making an assumption that he did not have good reason to have it there (again not that this is required). 'Perhaps' he waked to and from his shooting permission and wanted a drink on the way home... Sorry if this is a long story but I feel it provides sufficient evidence to support my argument. I was traveling not too long ago and the quickest and easiest way to get there was by train, but planned on shooting whilst there (visiting family). As such gave my FEO a ring and he said no problem as long as in slip. Had a nice chat on my home platform with the conductor (who I now know shoots)... So through London and on the tube I trotted. Gave a smile to the armed police in Kings X (who smiled back). And was asked in M & S whilst buying a packet of crisps and drink waiting for a train if 'that' was a gun, to which I responded yes [in my eyes it would have been far more irresponsible and suspicious to say no]. And as a results got to shoot with my family and spoke to several fellow shooters en route who stuck up conversations with me (knowing what my gun bag was). So In reality as far as I am concerned he had every right to be shopping with his gun and to state what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 I agree with your point about assumption, buts that’s where it stops. Firstly despite recommending a shooter knowing the intricacies of gun law. It really should not be incumbent upon shooters because of the misconceptions of the public at large and ineptitude of our police force to know the law. Further to this, and onto my main point if its in the slip take it to church for all I care. Your being hypocritical, you are making an assumption that he did not have good reason to have it there (again not that this is required). 'Perhaps' he waked to and from his shooting permission and wanted a drink on the way home... Sorry if this is a long story but I feel it provides sufficient evidence to support my argument. I was traveling not too long ago and the quickest and easiest way to get there was by train, but planned on shooting whilst there (visiting family). As such gave my FEO a ring and he said no problem as long as in slip. Had a nice chat on my home platform with the conductor (who I now know shoots)... So through London and on the tube I trotted. Gave a smile to the armed police in Kings X (who smiled back). And was asked in M & S whilst buying a packet of crisps and drink waiting for a train if 'that' was a gun, to which I responded yes [in my eyes it would have been far more irresponsible and suspicious to say no]. And as a results got to shoot with my family and spoke to several fellow shooters en route who stuck up conversations with me (knowing what my gun bag was). So In reality as far as I am concerned he had every right to be shopping with his gun and to state what it was. Trains can be a sticky issue, by purchasing a ticket you are agreeing to conditions, guns on trains are frequently prohibited not by law (if in a sealed slip/bag etc) but by the train operating company rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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