meady638 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 hi everyone. Just wanted to ask what peoples thoughts were on permanent stock comb raiser as in the picture? i have a huge problem with my gun, every time i shoot i end up with a swollen cheek. the gun is a Beretta s686 special which i really like and i am handy with woodwork. I am thinking of making the modification to the stock to allow better gun fit. my question is will this effect the value of the gun if done to a high level? or am i wasting my time. i hope to never sell the gun but its a big move. any help would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 If you fit an adjustable comb I wouldn't think it would have an adverse effect on value. Possibly would slightly increase value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 My main gun has a fully adjustable comb, meaning horizontal as well as vertical adjustment, and I've found those guns with such stocks generally command higher prices. All Berettas 'slap' me (except their auto's); I would have thought having an adjustable comb would mean being able to remove the 'slapping' incident, unless of course it is as you describe merely a comb raiser. Mate also gets slapped by his Beretta; I can't understand why he still uses it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 hi everyone. Just wanted to ask what peoples thoughts were on permanent stock comb raiser as in the picture? i have a huge problem with my gun, every time i shoot i end up with a swollen cheek. the gun is a Beretta s686 special which i really like and i am handy with woodwork. I am thinking of making the modification to the stock to allow better gun fit. my question is will this effect the value of the gun if done to a high level? or am i wasting my time. i hope to never sell the gun but its a big move. any help would be great Have a session with a good Coach to determine, why you "get a slap". The Coach may also be able to help you achieve the correct measurement if required, What location are you, many of us on PW know of good Coaches in many areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanchief Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 All my previous Berettas were sent away to have the comb made adjustable, including my present DT11, the aftermarket option is better than the factory model, they return a better cost once selling on in the future, also they balance the gun out a bit better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meady638 Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 All my previous Berettas were sent away to have the comb made adjustable, including my present DT11, the aftermarket option is better than the factory model, they return a better cost once selling on in the future, also they balance the gun out a bit better. thanks for your help, what kit would be good to buy if i convert it myself? My main gun has a fully adjustable comb, meaning horizontal as well as vertical adjustment, and I've found those guns with such stocks generally command higher prices. All Berettas 'slap' me (except their auto's); I would have thought having an adjustable comb would mean being able to remove the 'slapping' incident, unless of course it is as you describe merely a comb raiser. Mate also gets slapped by his Beretta; I can't understand why he still uses it. thanks very much. i think a fully adjustable stock would be good. do you know of any conversion kits that would work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry136 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) My gun has an adjustable comb, it took 4 weeks to adjust it to perfection and a lot of bruised cheeks! I sent my woodwork to a PW member based in Ripon, he did an excellent job! Welsh Warrior quoted me £225 if your down south, he's based in Farnborough. FYI, fully adjustable stocks are very expensive! Edited February 22, 2016 by Harry136 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Graco do one - I have installed 4. I got mine from the Gun Cupboard. They retailed around the £50 mark. Someone on Ebay does copies for about £40. I have a spare one knocking about, but can't lay my hands on it - sod's law. Edited February 22, 2016 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meady638 Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Graco do one - I have installed 4. I got mine from the Gun Cupboard. They retailed around the £50 mark. Someone on Ebay does copies for about £40. I have a spare one knocking about, but can't lay my hands on it - sod's law. thanks, for your post. i have refinished over 20 stocks and have never thought about doing the adjustable comb. i will look on the internet what is out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Cheek slap is not often cured solely by the aid of an adjustable comb, you very often need the pitch adjusted as well and it wouldn't be unheard of for only that to need tweaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meady638 Posted February 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Cheek slap is not often cured solely by the aid of an adjustable comb, you very often need the pitch adjusted as well and it wouldn't be unheard of for only that to need tweaking. thanks, how would you know if you need to change the pitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) thanks, how would you know if you need to change the pitch? Well you just need to experiment and luckily that's relatively simple to do. It's worth watching a few clips on the subject to familiarise yourself with the concept but don't get too draw into any affects it may have on POI because the changes are usually fairly small and in practice it makes no odds on pattern placement. The easiest thing to do is to place washers between the stock and the recoil pad and have a few shots to see how the gun feels. It's easy to see how much negative or positive pitch a given gun has by placing the butt flat on the ground and the action top touching the wall at right angles, the more the barrels stick away from the wall the more acute the angle of the pitch - in my experience guns with less pitch angle (barrel closer to the wall) recoil in a friendlier fashion but the important thing is to experiment and arrive at the setting that works for you. There will be a happy angle where the gun recoil mostly backwards and the barrel flip is least pronounced, at this stage tweaking the adjustable comb usually dials out any last few traces of undue/undesired comb movements. Once the measurement is found then its a case of getting a skilled stocker to make any changes, sometimes a sliver of wood/plastic matching the exact angle can be placed between stock and pad but you need also at this stage take into account the overall stock length and trigger reach etc. Edited February 22, 2016 by Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 thanks very much. i think a fully adjustable stock would be good. do you know of any conversion kits that would work? Sorry, can't help you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 My advice would be to go and see a good gun fitter. I have been fitted twice - and I don't believe it is a 'DIY' process - or one in which 'trial and error' is wise. First and foremost - what a good gun fitter does is watches you shoot; he assesses your mount, stance, style and consistency and may decide to send you away to learn to be more consistent. He can see how well the gun fits you - and how much you are adjusting yourself to the gun ...... and that is where the problem lies. I have seen replies to similar questions on here (and other forums) to the extent that a reasonable shot can shoot most guns. That may be reasonably true - but he/she will shoot quicker, more consistently and more comfortably with a gun that fits properly. When you pick up a gun that is a near fit, you will unconsciously adjust your stance, mount and style to shoot as well as you can. Often this distracts the eye briefly from the target to the rib/foresight. We all do this when we borrow a gun to try. The step from there to the right fit - may be a small one - but its a hard one to get right. With the right fit, you don't need to consciously see the gun or foresight - it just shoots where you are looking - at the target. As to value - personally - I don't like adjustable features. I like to get things set right (done by a stock alteration) - then leave alone. I find changing adjustments to be a distraction. For me therefore - an adjustable comb is a negative, but I accept I may be in the minority on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Gun shops charge more for a gun with an adjustable comb. On over and unders, it might devalue one in a million. On the rest - it would increase value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Don't mess about send it to Simon Willmore at Doverege £190 sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Welshwsrrior on the forum does a good comb raiser by all the comments come them who have had the work done by him. Ask him for a price, I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Don't mess about send it to Simon Willmore at Doverege £190 sorted +1 I have seen Simon's work and its very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 My advice would be to go and see a good gun fitter. I have been fitted twice - and I don't believe it is a 'DIY' process - or one in which 'trial and error' is wise. First and foremost - what a good gun fitter does is watches you shoot; he assesses your mount, stance, style and consistency and may decide to send you away to learn to be more consistent. He can see how well the gun fits you - and how much you are adjusting yourself to the gun ...... and that is where the problem lies. I have seen replies to similar questions on here (and other forums) to the extent that a reasonable shot can shoot most guns. That may be reasonably true - but he/she will shoot quicker, more consistently and more comfortably with a gun that fits properly. When you pick up a gun that is a near fit, you will unconsciously adjust your stance, mount and style to shoot as well as you can. Often this distracts the eye briefly from the target to the rib/foresight. We all do this when we borrow a gun to try. The step from there to the right fit - may be a small one - but its a hard one to get right. With the right fit, you don't need to consciously see the gun or foresight - it just shoots where you are looking - at the target. As to value - personally - I don't like adjustable features. I like to get things set right (done by a stock alteration) - then leave alone. I find changing adjustments to be a distraction. For me therefore - an adjustable comb is a negative, but I accept I may be in the minority on this. It is perfectly true that for the beginner to intermediate shooter a gun fitter is the best bet initially but make no mistake if you approach 4 different experts you will get 4 slightly differing prescriptions and besides there isn't a man on this earth that could tell you the pitch you need by watching you mount as some things simply need to be decided upon by the shooter himself and through live firing. Hence you'll find the more advanced shots tend to self diagnose their own requirements in a way a gun fitter never could and that very much has come through trial and error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 I had my silver pigeon done about eighteen months ago,a guy living on deeside done it,excellent job,cost me 120 quid,i dont get any slap at all,and to be honest i never had it before the conversion,the only time i have had a gun slap me was because the stock was to long,it may be worth investigating whenever the stock lenth is correct for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanchief Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 It is perfectly true that for the beginner to intermediate shooter a gun fitter is the best bet initially but make no mistake if you approach 4 different experts you will get 4 slightly differing prescriptions and besides there isn't a man on this earth that could tell you the pitch you need by watching you mount as some things simply need to be decided upon by the shooter himself and through live firing. Hence you'll find the more advanced shots tend to self diagnose their own requirements in a way a gun fitter never could and that very much has come through trial and error. ^^^^^^^^^ Listen to this above, he knows good stuff. To buy yourself look on Brownells site in the US, will cost you about £70 from memory. If it's a beretta you will need to make the stock bolt semi fixed in place and fillet a piece of wood in as the saw cut leaves a hole, look s ok if it's diamond shaped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Gun shops charge more for a gun with an adjustable comb. On over and unders, it might devalue one in a million. On the rest - it would increase value. That one In a million was on here a couple of years ago....... Anyone remember the photos? I think the chap got a replacement stock in the end at the butchers expense........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 That one In a million was on here a couple of years ago....... Anyone remember the photos? I think the chap got a replacement stock in the end at the butchers expense........ Remember the thread, looked like a yts on his first week had done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 I think it was my mate Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 HDAV - I had forgotten about that. I seem to remember that, when collared about it, the "stockist" said he thought it enhanced the gun. Delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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