Eu Polls

[rjimmer]

70:30 I reckon with the 70% wanting to remain.

 

I am an outer but hold out little hope.

What age group do you talk to? Very few that I know, want to stay in the EUSR.

[Danger-Mouse]

70:30 I reckon with the 70% wanting to remain.

 

I am an outer but hold out little hope.

 

Not according to any of the polls. It seems to be pretty much a coinflip atm. I`ve seen a couple of newspaper polls that have the kind of ratio you describe but in favour of out not in. On here the opinion is heavily in favour of leaving. As long as the out camp actually vote I think we have a very decent chance.

[ShootingEgg]

Another thought, anyone here vote or speak to someone who voted to stay in the common market last time around think it would ever lead to what we got now, if so would they still of voted in ?

Thr common market is not the EU. They are not the same thing.

[AVB]

I had lunch with some friends today. Both 50 somethings from semi-rural Norfolk. Both said they intended to vote 'remain' because "better the devil you know". No other reason. And that, unfortunately, will be the reason we stay.

[UKPoacher]

Thr common market is not the EU. They are not the same thing.

The Common Market became the EU. It all got too political after the Maastricht Treaty.

[paulnix]

Thr common market is not the EU. They are not the same thing.

The UK voted to join the common market, then it turned into the EU.

[felly100]

I had lunch with some friends today. Both 50 somethings from semi-rural Norfolk. Both said they intended to vote 'remain' because "better the devil you know". No other reason. And that, unfortunately, will be the reason we stay.

 

Nailed it.

[Milo]

The remain team seem to have shot their bolt a little early. I would not be at all surprised if the outers get a head of steam up closer to the finish line.

[Psyxologos]

The very fact you have to ask means you're immune to the problem. If you vote "In" then I thank you now for the problems you'll be causing my children, and their future children, you must be a really caring person !

 

You are funny!

[hawkfanz]

its astrange situation i get brexit emails and i post them to my email friends,so one in i o m says dont bother sending me those emails because i want to stay in the eu,,but then i,m told by my learned mate that i o m isn,t even part of the eu,,aso what do i know,,, but on the day my vote is out.and always will be.roll on the revolution.

[hawkfanz]

in answere to paul the few people i know who voted for the common market way back in the 70,s are so dissolutioned with it they are now voting for out,,i voted no then and am still of the same oppinion.

[markfromholland]

In Holland, that is where we live, we were promised "golden mountains" by joining the EU.

( we did not have a choice, it was shoved down our throut )

 

Look at us now, at this moment we have the highest number of elderly who

can hardly save a few quid at the end of the month.

Oh yeahhhh, the idea of being able to work everywhere in the EU..........

result: polish people take ovdr the work from our people..........

Why? Because they can charge less, as their standard costs are lower, the do not

pay road tax here as we all have to do ?

 

Let us not start about opening the borders and the result we have now .........

immigrant wise

[Rewulf]

 

When you refer to 'male immigrants', do you mean EU nationals? If not, what does that have to do with the issue?

 

Male immigrants whether from in or out of the EU ,that come from countries whose culture sees women in a different light to what we do in the UK.

That is the issue.

Plus whether or not we can allow access,or indeed deport or remove as necessary ,if they are found to be incompatible with our laws or customs.

That is the issue.

The EU and its supreme court has in the past,and will continue to do so if we remain,prevented the control and removal of some pretty undesirable elements.

That is a fact.

Once again,this is not a racist or xenophobic view ,this is the view of people who live and enjoy this country,some of whom were not born here,who have a very real fear for their female friends and relatives.

If I need to spell it out,some eastern European countries have customary disdain for unmarried women to be in public on their own,nothing to do with any faith either.

Some countries,admittedly outside the EU, have strict rules about womens dress code,or about what time of night they should be out till. I dont think it necessary to list them or remind you of what can happen to them if they fall into the path of someone who has strong beliefs that what they are doing is wrong or provocative.

If you want to believe that these are just isolated incidents,or take the stance that 'There are rapists ect here anyway ' look at Germany,Sweden and Holland who are having real problems already with this.

 

Finally, there was a do gooder last week who insisted that the UK government 'do something' about the 150 or so unaccompanied children in the 'Jungle' camp (I believe instant asylum was the idea) even though they are a French responsibility.

The reason being they were at risk of abuse,sexual or otherwise,assault and people traffickers from within the camp!

Good to know that all these people 'fleeing terror and persecution' are good upstanding types,ready to take up EU citizenship.

[Psyxologos]

 

Male immigrants whether from in or out of the EU ,that come from countries whose culture sees women in a different light to what we do in the UK.

That is the issue.

Plus whether or not we can allow access,or indeed deport or remove as necessary ,if they are found to be incompatible with our laws or customs.

That is the issue.

The EU and its supreme court has in the past,and will continue to do so if we remain,prevented the control and removal of some pretty undesirable elements.

That is a fact.

Once again,this is not a racist or xenophobic view ,this is the view of people who live and enjoy this country,some of whom were not born here,who have a very real fear for their female friends and relatives.

If I need to spell it out,some eastern European countries have customary disdain for unmarried women to be in public on their own,nothing to do with any faith either.

Some countries,admittedly outside the EU, have strict rules about womens dress code,or about what time of night they should be out till. I dont think it necessary to list them or remind you of what can happen to them if they fall into the path of someone who has strong beliefs that what they are doing is wrong or provocative.

If you want to believe that these are just isolated incidents,or take the stance that 'There are rapists ect here anyway ' look at Germany,Sweden and Holland who are having real problems already with this.

 

Finally, there was a do gooder last week who insisted that the UK government 'do something' about the 150 or so unaccompanied children in the 'Jungle' camp (I believe instant asylum was the idea) even though they are a French responsibility.

The reason being they were at risk of abuse,sexual or otherwise,assault and people traffickers from within the camp!

Good to know that all these people 'fleeing terror and persecution' are good upstanding types,ready to take up EU citizenship.

 

Thanks for explaining. I agree with you about plenty of countries outside the EU (let's not beat around the bush, I suspect you mean those from the middle east or africa, please forgive me if I am wrong) having what seems to us (and is, in my opinion) pretty distorted and backwards views on what is ethical and appropriate, and the way women are treated is deplorable. I do not understand though how this is relevant to whether the UK is a member of the EU or not. If anything, the fact that the UK borders are actually in French soil (I am aware this is a bilateral agreement between France and the UK, but it is intrinsic to the UK's membership to the EU) makes the more or less immune to this. I am sure you are aware of the UK's veto powers on immigration issues.

 

As for Easter European (do you refer to the Baltic states? Perhaps those countries previously part of the Warsaw treaty?) countries' "customary disdain for unmarried women to be in public on their own", I have to disagree. Of course I am no expert, but work often sends me to a few of these countries and I do see plenty of single women enjoying their night (or day) out, and as far as I am aware they are not targeted by anyone. Maybe you have a deeper knowledge of the cultures of said countries, in which case I would like to hear more about it. I am interested. Thanks again for taking the time to explain. I am looking forward to hearing from you with some more inside information about " eastern countries' customary disdain for unmarried women to be in public on their own".

Edited April 18, 2016 by Psyxologos

[Vince Green]

 

Thanks for explaining. I agree with you about plenty of countries outside the EU (let's not beat around the bush, I suspect you mean those from the middle east or africa, please forgive me if I am wrong) having what seems to us (and is, in my opinion) pretty distorted and backwards views on what is ethical and appropriate, and the way women are treated is deplorable. I do not understand though how this is relevant to whether the UK is a member of the EU or not. If anything, the fact that the UK borders are actually in French soil (I am aware this is a bilateral agreement between France and the UK, but it is intrinsic to the UK's membership to the EU) makes the more or less immune to this. I am sure you are aware of the UK's veto powers on immigration issues.

 

As for Easter European (do you refer to the Baltic states? Perhaps those countries previously part of the Warsaw treaty?) countries' "customary disdain for unmarried women to be in public on their own", I have to disagree. Of course I am no expert, but work often sends me to a few of these countries and I do see plenty of single women enjoying their night (or day) out, and as far as I am aware they are not targeted by anyone. Maybe you have a deeper knowledge of the cultures of said countries, in which case I would like to hear more about it. I am interested. Thanks again for taking the time to explain. I am looking forward to hearing from you with some more inside information about " eastern countries' customary disdain for unmarried women to be in public on their own".

Having worked in Poland a few years back I would agree with you about the women. Very confident and very able, nobody is going to look down their noses at them but its true, you don't see them drunk in the street chucking up etc like the British girls back home. Does that mean they are repressed?

[rjimmer]

And when 77,000,000 Turkish people are allowed the right to enter EU countries.......

[MonkeyKong]

 

I do not understand though how this is relevant to whether the UK is a member of the EU or not.

Germany accepted just over 1.1 million migrants from ME and NA countries last year. A 100% increase from 2014. So far in 2016 the numbers are looking like a further 100% increase on 2015.

 

In 5 years those 1.1 million will be given the right to travel and settle anywhere in the EU. We have no veto on that.

[Vince Green]

And when 77,000,000 Turkish people are allowed the right to enter EU countries.......

I agree completely! Utter madness, beyond words

 

Germany accepted just over 1.1 million migrants from ME and NA countries last year. A 100% increase from 2014. So far in 2016 the numbers are looking like a further 100% increase on 2015.

 

In 5 years those 1.1 million will be given the right to travel and settle anywhere in the EU. We have no veto on that.

The thing is Germany gives them very little, they are treated like scum. They get 500Euros a month and they have no entitlements. The only jobs they will ever get are menial jobs on slavery wages. So different to what they would get if they came here. So its a no brainer for them, we are going to be seeing them all eventually.

[UKPoacher]

I agree completely! Utter madness, beyond words

 

The thing is Germany gives them very little, they are treated like scum. They get 500Euros a month and they have no entitlements. The only jobs they will ever get are menial jobs on slavery wages. So different to what they would get if they came here. So its a no brainer for them, we are going to be seeing them all eventually.

Which is why the imposition of quotas of refugees proposed, or more likely ordered, by the EU is a nonsense. They don't want to stay in Hungary or Bulgaria and so if they are forced to be settled and registered there they will leave for better countries as soon as they are able.

 

The biggest problem for the UK is that a Welfare System drawn up and implemented to the envy of the world in times of high employment and low immigration now is seen as a major failing. Unemployment and mass migration are creating massive and unsustainable demands on the Welfare System and the UK cannot do a thing about addressing the problem due to their being members of the EU and having signed up for the European Court of Human Rights. Being in the EU means that any EU national whether they be Romanian or Syrian with a Greek issued EU citizenship can claim exactly the same as some UK worker who has lost their job after 40 years of employment. The latter means that the UK cannot discriminate against foreign nationals coming into the country and abusing the welfare, health and legal systems.

 

The UK needs to leave the EU if only to be able to avoid bankruptcy of the Welfare System.

[Rewulf]

 

 

 

As for Easter European (do you refer to the Baltic states? Perhaps those countries previously part of the Warsaw treaty?) countries' "customary disdain for unmarried women to be in public on their own", I have to disagree. Of course I am no expert, but work often sends me to a few of these countries and I do see plenty of single women enjoying their night (or day) out, and as far as I am aware they are not targeted by anyone. Maybe you have a deeper knowledge of the cultures of said countries, in which case I would like to hear more about it. I am interested. Thanks again for taking the time to explain. I am looking forward to hearing from you with some more inside information about " eastern countries' customary disdain for unmarried women to be in public on their own".

 

No I wasnt refering to the Baltic States or Poland,as far as I am aware these countries treat their women much as we do in the UK,perhaps better.

 

Without pointing fingers at particular countries,and perhaps tarring the whole male populace of said countries of unfair treatment of women,perhaps you and other members of PW know of some groups who seem to be in the headlines more than others,or maybe some personal stories of friends or relatives that have suffered abuse from EU nationals?

I know I have.

[Les*1066]

I am thoroughly sick of the imbalance in reporting on TV and the radio in favour of the "In" camp. We keep getting increasingly ridiculous threats being thrown at us, telling us how the world will end if we leave, but very little from the "out" camp to counteract it.

 

I hope the out camp get their act together soon, because otherwise it will be a victory by default.

[Psyxologos]

 

No I wasnt refering to the Baltic States or Poland,as far as I am aware these countries treat their women much as we do in the UK,perhaps better.

 

Without pointing fingers at particular countries,and perhaps tarring the whole male populace of said countries of unfair treatment of women,perhaps you and other members of PW know of some groups who seem to be in the headlines more than others,or maybe some personal stories of friends or relatives that have suffered abuse from EU nationals?

I know I have.

 

No, I am not aware of any particular country. This is why I am asking. Who do you mean?

[Vince Green]

 

No, I am not aware of any particular country. This is why I am asking. Who do you mean?

There are countries where women are not treated the same as here. Greek girls are not allowed out on their own for example. There are actually very subtle protocols at play in a lot of the Med countries.

An ex girlfriend was Italian and her parents were OK but I was aware her cousins were on permanent lockdown compared to her. They used to love coming to London to visit because they could go clubbing without a brother/male cousin in tow.

[Psyxologos]

There are countries where women are not treated the same as here. Greek girls are not allowed out on their own for example. There are actually very subtle protocols at play in a lot of the Med countries.

 

This is the first I hear of such a thing. Women in Italy, Spain, Greece, Malta etc are quite liberated. I suspect you have some in depth knowledge which I would be very interested to partake in. Please, share.

[oowee]

There are countries where women are not treated the same as here. Greek girls are not allowed out on their own for example. There are actually very subtle protocols at play in a lot of the Med countries.

An ex girlfriend was Italian and her parents were OK but I was aware her cousins were on permanent lockdown compared to her. They used to love coming to London to visit because they could go clubbing without a brother/male cousin in tow.

Maybe in very traditional households but I would say less likely these days. Having many friends in Athens and spending much time there I see little evidence in the clubs and bars.

 

. Being in the EU means that any EU national whether they be Romanian or Syrian with a Greek issued EU citizenship can claim exactly the same as some UK worker who has lost their job after 40 years of employment. The latter means that the UK cannot discriminate against foreign nationals coming into the country and abusing the welfare, health and legal systems.

 

The UK needs to leave the EU if only to be able to avoid bankruptcy of the Welfare System.

Or who have never worked. The same rights for all is what we would expect in another country. If the UK chooses to be so generous and this attracts mass migration then the issue is our generosity rather than the migration.

Surely the issue is the higher levels of employment in the UK attracting migrants? This migration keeps our wage rates down makes our products more competitive and creates more jobs. A dangerous circle of destruction for the migrant issue.

THe UK needs to look at its welfare state yes but it does not need to be out of the EU to do this.