wots the cheapest fibre 30 gr or32 gr out there

[Guest cookoff013]

Hull have twigged that shooters aren't buying into some of the 'game cartridge for game only' myth.

Its the reason [allegedly] you can't buy their 'pigeon' cartridges during the game season.

 

thats well known to be the case. its because the economic offerings impact their premium game loads....

 

as production is seasonal, clay loads are manufactured to keep the "pilot light" on during game season.

[ChrisPCarter]

George you need a better accountant, seriously I for one would not pay £219 just because it said game on the box when I can get eley pigeon for around £170 or use clay cartridges for around £150 it's not going to happen, unless you have money to burn.

 

Badging all your stuff game is I thinks bad idea unless you are going to do it the other way round and sell game cartridges at pigeon cartridge prices £170 not £219

I think this is what we all want.

I buy pigeon cartridges to shoot anything as I want one consistent cartridge for everything, as close in design to my clay cartridge as I can.

Ideally I'd just be able to buy something like for example Gamebore Velocity in 24g, 28g, 30g, 32g with 5,6,7,8,9 shot but that will never happen.

[ElvisThePelvis]

With the price of driven shooting, cartridge cost is of the least to most participants, even more so the more people shoot.

[ChrisPCarter]

George,

 

I have a small IT business in Harrogate so if you need some help getting things going I could set you up a simple website with online ordering and payments.

You would have to come up with a product range and stick to it so people can just go to the site and click on a couple of items, then the order and payment is sent to you via email - job done.

While we are at it we can get you set up to take card payments via a smartphone and card reader if you're on the road a lot.

It would be a nice little project for me and it could really get your sales off the ground - the sort of people who use these forums are probably already ordering cartridges online elsewhere.

I'll do it at mates rates with payment in cartridges

 

Chris.

[ph5172]

My theory is this.......

If you are paying a fortune for a Driven Day once a week then you probably don't care how much you spend on cartridges.

If you are doing one or two a season as a 'treat' then again you will probably go and buy the best (you can reasonably afford) as it all adds to your experience

If you are shooting Pigeons / Rabbits on a farmers field then i doubt you are as bothered about the speed / lead / powder combination - you want cheap and cheerful and if the odd one doesn't go bang when it should then that's not a great issue.

 

I am not a top level clay shooter and as such i plumb for the cheapest suitable brand on offer that week, same with all my rough cartridges if i am honest.

 

Go for cheap and cheerful and i am sure you will sell more in the long run.

 

As for the name why not just use - FIELD LOAD - You can have that name if i can have some to try !!!!

 

Thats my take on it anyhow.

Edited April 20, 2016 by ph5172

[figgy]

I think your missing the point George folk want a cheap cart for pigeons the do the job. Not something 40-50 more a thousand that can shoot the highest of pheasants.

 

A lot of shooters don't care what components are used so long as the birds fall out of the sky when they do their bit.

 

Changing your products constantly puts people off, they get a cartridge they like they want to keep shooting that cartridge for year after year.

The big makers don't constantly change their products.

I have bought all the expensive game carts over the years and can honestly say I didn't kill any more birds than with cheaper game carts

 

Best of luck.

Edited April 20, 2016 by figgy

[dodeer]

To sell a lot I think you need produce a plastic or fibre 28/30gr 5/6/7 load and retail them as cheap as you can. Then people will buy.

 

Problem is like people have mentioned you can get "pigeon" cartridges for £170/1000 now so you need sell under that. I don't know how much you can produce say 500,000 for but think you need to do that then market them heavily/ supply to shops

[ElvisThePelvis]

Maybe vary the components rather than the pictures on the box? How about a Wool Wad as your premium line? Maybe Copper coated shot. I still think someone should have called theirs 'CuJimmy' rather than 'Hellfire' or 'Driven Grouse'. No reason why people cant use these on Vermin as well as Game, i don't swap cartridges around and stick to Game as its one less variable to worry about and probably only shoot 3000 game cartridges per year so it makes no real difference to my pocket.

[Guest cookoff013]

Maybe vary the components rather than the pictures on the box? How about a Wool Wad as your premium line? Maybe Copper coated shot. I still think someone should have called theirs 'CuJimmy' rather than 'Hellfire' or 'Driven Grouse'. No reason why people cant use these on Vermin as well as Game, i don't swap cartridges around and stick to Game as its one less variable to worry about and probably only shoot 3000 game cartridges per year so it makes no real difference to my pocket.

i`m sorry, but i think you are wrong, why change the components ? a decent cartridge is just that, decent, if you change something that could reduce the overall package. copper coated shot? you`ve been listening to those cartridge manufacturers. we seem to have done alright in the past 200+ years without copper shot. woolwads are not the answer, how different are they to fibre, really?

 

most people just want something to go bang, most dont care, they want a budgie cartridge.

[Wingman]

Eley Impax for £180.00 at my local, seems that there is a fair bit of variation in price as he gives me a good deal as I have been going there for years. Its a tough call for internet based suppliers as you need add delivery on the cost and then wait for them to arrive. I respect anyone who has the confidence to set their own online business up, but for me the benefit doesnt really stack up and I also enjoy going to the gunshop to buy my supplies...

Edited April 20, 2016 by Wingman

[ChrisPCarter]

most people just want something to go bang, most dont care, they want a budgie cartridge.

 

Are budgie cartridges cheaper than pigeon ones? Probably 410 only?

 

If it's cheap, goes bang and fires out big shot that will work on anything I shoot.

[tomaddy525]

well please give me a brand name in game made with the afore mentioned components at 32 gram fibre cheaper than 219 please bear in mind what they are made with

 

It doesn't matter what they're made with. I personally couldn't care less if it was made with gold leaf wad and titanium shot, as long as that bird is dead thats all I'm after. I wouldn't market with the "best components" theme

[Wingman]

And frankly would it really make a difference to 99.9% of shooters? Or make them better than established brands from likes of Eley, Gamebore etc?

 

Mind you supermarkets have been doing it for years with "taste the difference" type ranges made with the finest ingredients!

Edited April 20, 2016 by Wingman

[ElvisThePelvis]

i`m sorry, but i think you are wrong, why change the components ? a decent cartridge is just that, decent, if you change something that could reduce the overall package. copper coated shot? you`ve been listening to those cartridge manufacturers. we seem to have done alright in the past 200+ years without copper shot. woolwads are not the answer, how different are they to fibre, really?

 

most people just want something to go bang, most dont care, they want a budgie cartridge.

Don't be sorry, just a different opinion is all, I think a cheaper priced premium cartridge would sell, if everyone's tries to be the cheapest then you begin a race to the bottom. Perceived premium cartridges at 220 per thou would do well I think, better than cheap cartridges but not double the price and a decent saving to attract the attention of game shooters to give them a go.

 

By the way I also hate Budgies so we agree on something!

[bluesj]

On you web page you have 32 gram cartridges at £189 can you not do a fiber version that would put them at £196 ish, making them cheaper than a lot.

I wouldn't worry about the £170 eleys, they aren't that good and only ok when used with tight chokes.

I think its fare to say a game shooter will be happy to use some more expensive game cartridges for the odd days pigeon shooting but most pigeon shooters will not want to use 75 to 100 more expensive cartridges every weekend. if you are trying to do a one for all cartridge i think it will have to be at a pigeon cartridge price

[figgy]

I have seen more pigeon cartridges used on game shoots more and more in the last few years. Lads are using them to good effect on pigeons and are then deciding to use them on game as they like them. No one likes chopping and changing cartridges.

 

I'd be happy to use the same make clay cart that I'm used to 28g 7.5 on clays and same cart but 6.5 size shot clay carts on game.

[wj939]

George, don't get lured into making a **** round to meet a price point you can't compete with. Stick to what these are good at:

 

You already have a range of products:

As far as I have tested those hi-speeds are better than any round I've bought upto and over £300 per thou. Stick them in a glossier cardboard box, with a black case and silver head and charge £300 per thou in a fibre wad. You now have a 'top of the range cart' for game shooters.

 

Take the hi-speed load a fibre wad keep the case standard and you have a premium mid range fibre load at 240 per thou

 

Take your ultimate game chuck a fibre wad in and knock them out at 220- a mid range cart for pigeon and game. - 2 different boxes same cart.

 

Then, use the basis of the Cheaper 32gram produce a 30gram fibre and call it something non specific like F30 and there's your £200 per thou game/pigeon load.

Using cheap components and compromising on quality defeats the object in my mind of "proper cartridges"

 

It's more about the packaging than what's underneath, if you can recreate the loads you already have in fibre wads for a tenner more a thousand, go get yourself a meeting with the graphics team at the box manufacturers and come up with a couple of new names.

 

I don't work for George or have any other dealings with him other than buying his carts, but I have no hesitation in saying I very much doubt you'll find a better cartridge for high bird shooting. At 209 per thousand you can't go wrong

[wj939]

Other thing to remember here is a lot of folk that shoot what ever was the cheapest on the day in the shop, in my experience at least, tend to not shoot many thousand a year. The only way to make 170 a thou economical is to use cheap and do some serious runs that require a big network of retail locations to sell 1000 at a time to each punter.

 

Not all, but most people I know that shoot a lot, over 5k rounds a year tend to want to stick to one brand for consistency and are willing to pay a bit more for their flavour of choice as a result. Even if my second favourite shell was 40 a thousand cheaper- it would take 10000 shells to make 400 quid- the price of a peg on a 100-150 bird day. Or roughly a decent years pigeon shooting- it's not that much in the grand scheme of things considering the difference. Give them a try before you say there's no difference between a cheap and expensive cartridge.

[motty]

When I can buy good quality 28gm 6 for just over £150 a thousand, I won't be tempted into paying over the odds for shells that are no better.

[wj939]

You get what you pay for in most things in life- reason some people use beretta and some use a baikal. Both kill clays and game. Suppose we've all been paying over the odds there too?

 

I don't totally disagree with you, yes we pay over the odds for things, but there are clear differences in cheap and expensive cartridges, maybe they don't justify double the price, but that is a case of what they say about A holes and opinions.......

[motty]

I have tried a few of the proper cartridge 'range'. There is nothing wrong with them, but I can honestly say they are nothing special.

I am certainly not sold on the claims of 'the best components'.

[propercartridges]

ok chaps well I am working on the new powder I have just bought from vectan called d20 se it can do from 28 gram through to 32 gram I have carts in the chicken incubater now set at 21 degrees for conditioning if they prove good the morra I will knock up a hundred or so to shoot a little wood I have up through Berwick over the week end I have my box man coming Monday night to design the box these carts are fibre 32 gram in 5.5 2.7mm they are called stone dead and there is a picture of 4 pigeons carrying a coffin and on the back there is a pheasant lying on his back saying wish George had stuck to importing cars instead of making cartridges so what do you all think thanks george

[bluesj]

I'd be interested in a 32 gram fiber wad cartridge at the right price, don't really care whats on the box just whats in it

[propercartridges]

I'd be interested in a 32 gram fiber wad cartridge at the right price, don't really care whats on the box just whats in it

let me honestly look at pricing but as people have said on here you are getting good gear how many are you looking for I have been hammering Cambridge and Northampton lately can you get some picked up shud be rolling on fibre next 2 weeks

[SPARKIE]

The last game season i shot everything with elay pigeon select fible 30 gram 6's the smahshed the hell out of the high pheasents and worked really well.

 

Ive since used them on the pigeons too for good effect,

 

This season ill be doing the same £180 1000 what more do i need. dead is dead