oowee Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 I can shoot Canada Geese inland under GL4 damaging crops but I must use non toxic and it must be between Sept1 and Jan 31st. Even though damage is occurring outside of these dates they cannot be shot under that licence and I would need to apply for a licence under AO8. Is this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 No I am personally against shooting Canada's in the breeding season , but they can be shot anytime of year under GL04 with no need to apply for any other licence Yes you must use non toxic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) No I am personally against shooting Canada's in the breeding season , but they can be shot anytime of year under GL04 with no need to apply for any other licence Yes you must use non toxic. Or use a rifle on the ground with any ammo you like! Except shotshells! Edited April 23, 2016 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Or use a rifle on the ground with any ammo you like! Except shotshells! Whammy shells when you've absolutely, positively have to make a hole in something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Or use a rifle on the ground with any ammo you like! Except shotshells! True. I was informed by BASC that I can use a rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) Rifle on the ground is the easiest way to control them, but you need something with more clout than a 22lr if you are shooting into the breast. I use the .223 at 80 - 100 yards. You don't need to kill them all, they soon take the hint. If you do them now before they hatch, it saves a lot of **** from the goslings later in the season. PS, you need ALQ or Avian condition on your ticket if you are using a rifle. Edited April 23, 2016 by Fisheruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Cheers guys very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Have you considered scare tactics? They cam work well against geese and even when they font fully work they can reduce the need to kill parents of dependant checks and adolescents Gl isn't good for geese as the annual count never takes into account you don't know how many adult geese are mature enough to breed the next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 A number of farms (3) I have been to recently have large numbers on the new drilings. The farms are some way from home so I don't get the luxury of trying different tactics. Not sure I want to leave dependents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) Have you considered scare tactics? They cam work well against geese and even when they font fully work they can reduce the need to kill parents of dependant checks and adolescents Gl isn't good for geese as the annual count never takes into account you don't know how many adult geese are mature enough to breed the next season Scare tactics give the problem to someone else, and with regards Canada Geese (the subject of the thread) they are taking over this country to the detriment of many other water fowl. All in the first pic are Canada and the majority in the second, they need removing, not left to breed next year! Edited April 23, 2016 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Rifle on the ground is the easiest way to control them, but you need something with more clout than a 22lr if you are shooting into the breast. I use the .223 at 80 - 100 yards. You don't need to kill them all, they soon take the hint. If you do them now before they hatch, it saves a lot of **** from the goslings later in the season. PS, you need ALQ or Avian condition on your ticket if you are using a rifle. I find that on the whole for Pest Control my .22WMR is VERY effective on the Canada, hit them anywhere vaguely important and they fall over. The .22lr is ok but you need to be close, the HMR is very useful for head shots if I need one for the table! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Rifle on the ground is the easiest way to control them, but you need something with more clout than a 22lr if you are shooting into the breast. I use the .223 at 80 - 100 yards. You don't need to kill them all, they soon take the hint. If you do them now before they hatch, it saves a lot of **** from the goslings later in the season. PS, you need ALQ or Avian condition on your ticket if you are using a rifle. Why if they are a pest? There is no definition of pest in law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 By shooting them out of season, you are doing the RSPB, s dirty work for them! They want to eradicate them as a non British species, and that,s the ONLY reason they are backing this! They are NOT the friend of the shooting man....let them do their own dirty work! Everytime a bird of prey is found dead, we get the blame|!! They back shooting bans....don,t do their work, let them take the blame for dead birds shot out of season, leaving eggs or worse, chicks, in the nest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 A number of farms (3) I have been to recently have large numbers on the new drilings. The farms are some way from home so I don't get the luxury of trying different tactics. Not sure I want to leave dependents. Yeah that's likely coz you think first. The bond between parents is also close to say the least. Plenty would just murder them and leave those young or adolescents to fail more is the pity. I do think your average farmer respects life and someone not reaching straight for the gun straight off Of course to say " I don't live close enough to do scare tactics is likely a gl breech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 True. I was informed by BASC that I can use a rifle. I don't think I have ever shot a Canada for Sport, I shoot them for Pest Control, and the vast majority are shot on the ground with a rifle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 By shooting them out of season, you are doing the RSPB, s dirty work for them! They want to eradicate them as a non British species, and that,s the ONLY reason they are backing this! They are NOT the friend of the shooting man....let them do their own dirty work! Everytime a bird of prey is found dead, we get the blame|!! They back shooting bans....don,t do their work, let them take the blame for dead birds shot out of season, leaving eggs or worse, chicks, in the nest! Heck yet when we get some rare thing landing on our shores thier members have a dizzy fit trying to spot it. Had a rare shrike in the woods here last year Place was full of cars! Local keeper said he knew what it was - because he looked it up in a bird book! Non native? Gosh neither are sea eagles or giant stalks when you consider the changes that have occurred from when they were here. if we rid our land of non native species it's going to be pretty empty Are we going to have passport control for new migrants? Don't laugh too hard new migrants have occurred through time and changed Rspb are about cash, income and balance sheets not birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Good grief, some here need to get out more. The Canada is taking over! It is a pain, and causes issues to loads of other wildlife, not just us, their numbers need controlling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Why if they are a pest? There is no definition of pest in law? I don't have pest on my ticket, never had. Have Avian on my 17hmr. ALQ for my .223. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted April 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 I live next to an internationally important giant duck pond with everything from the occasional Osprey to 50000 gulls. There are so many twitchers here that local farmers are reluctant to control even the crows. I don't have pest on my ticket, never had. Have Avian on my 17hmr. ALQ for my .223. I asked Avon and S for ALQ and they said what else would you want to shoot other than pests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Good grief, some here need to get out more. The Canada is taking over! It is a pain, and causes issues to loads of other wildlife, not just us, their numbers need controlling. you could say the same about pheasants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Heck yet when we get some rare thing landing on our shores thier members have a dizzy fit trying to spot it. Had a rare shrike in the woods here last year Place was full of cars! Local keeper said he knew what it was - because he looked it up in a bird book! Non native? Gosh neither are sea eagles or giant stalks when you consider the changes that have occurred from when they were here. if we rid our land of non native species it's going to be pretty empty Are we going to have passport control for new migrants? Don't laugh too hard new migrants have occurred through time and changed Rspb are about cash, income and balance sheets not birds Bloody hell!! Let's start with border control for PEOPLE before we think about birds.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 I find that on the whole for Pest Control my .22WMR is VERY effective on the Canada, hit them anywhere vaguely important and they fall over. The .22lr is ok but you need to be close, the HMR is very useful for head shots if I need one for the table! Yes, the .22wmr would work and the 17hmr is good for head shots, but very messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) you could say the same about pheasants Don't be daft, how much Pheasant **** have you stepped in, and how many areas have you seen them take over from all other birds! Edited April 23, 2016 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 By shooting them out of season, you are doing the RSPB, s dirty work for them! They want to eradicate them as a non British species, and that,s the ONLY reason they are backing this! They are NOT the friend of the shooting man....let them do their own dirty work! Everytime a bird of prey is found dead, we get the blame|!! They back shooting bans....don,t do their work, let them take the blame for dead birds shot out of season, leaving eggs or worse, chicks, in the nest! Here speaks a man that has not lived near an urban pond or lake - a typical example is in south Manchester at Bramhall Hall - it used to be a pleasant walk with or without the dog until the canadas moved in, now it is impossible to walk within 25m of the water as it is a sea of mud (they have eaten all the green) covered to about 10mm with goose carp there are so many. Another example is, or was the pool in Poynton, same problem. In both cases the problem grew because no one could (or would) control them until things got out of hand. Very little to do with RSPB, more to do with them breeding faster than rabbits and the attitude of the mumsnet woolly bunny brigade. No doubt RSPB would like to see them gone but ban awful lot of others would be in front of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Good grief, some here need to get out more. The Canada is taking over! It is a pain, and causes issues to loads of other wildlife, not just us, their numbers need controlling. Don't be daft, how much Pheasant **** have you stepped in, and how many areas have you seen them take over from all other birds! the post i replied to did not mention canada goose **** and you said "It is a pain, and causes issues to loads of other wildlife" you did not say birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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