henry d Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Pah, Socialist, Marxist, Communist...all different cheeks of the same ****. You only have to look at the company he keeps, and those he chooses to support to see why he gets a hard time from the media. I'd be more than happy to see a strong opposition to hold the government to account, but come on, apart from his rag tag band of ne'er do wells and proscribed terrorist organisations who does he actually represent? Pootang, look at the company your avatar pitchure keeps, Kipper MEP's in the same grouping as Hungarian fascists. As for having same views as Corbin, if you mean been against imperialist wars, believing society should look out for those most at need, against establishment cover ups and that we achieve more as a society working together rather than against each other, then yes I have the same views as him. Don`t stoop as low as those who use bad company fallacies in any form of argument. His first move was to attack the man and his ideologies and yes, he got them wrong but who cares if we are ranting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 redogi73, on 03 May 2016 - 08:39 AM, said:As for having same views as Corbin, if you mean been against imperialist wars, believing society should look out for those most at need, against establishment cover ups and that we achieve more as a society working together rather than against each other, then yes I have the same views as him. Terrorist-supporting, Marxist, silver-spoon liberal like the rest of the North London Labour mob is an equally valid description. As for cover-ups. look at the way his team have moved to fix the PLP to stop any dissent against their pogrom. By the way, "working together" means paying to support their core voters - idle and entitled whingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redogi73 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 How can someone be a Marxist and a liberal? Too diametrically opposed political ideologies, however have some sympathy with the north London comment, but the has moved from the Blarite policies which is dominant amongst that group. Stopping dessent in the PLP, seriously, he's got more to fear from his own back stabbing backbenchers than the Tories! Working together I meant as a society rather than individualistic sod everyone mentality that is dominant at the minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Pootang, look at the company your avatar pitchure keeps, Kipper MEP's in the same grouping as Hungarian fascists. Care to expand on these so called fascists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Don`t stoop as low as those who use bad company fallacies in any form of argument. His first move was to attack the man and his ideologies and yes, he got them wrong but who cares if we are ranting? It's a statement of well documented fact, not fallacy, the company that Corbyn keeps. And yes, I do attack him and his ideologies, and for good reason. When his rallies are full of those who follow the likes of Stalin, Lenin and Mao, some of the biggest mass murderers in history, it doesn't sit well with me. Maybe you're ok with that? Would it be acceptable for the so called 'far right' parties to parade with banners depicting Hitler, Mosley and Mussolini? Don't kid yourself that the militant left that Corbyn represents is any less dangerous than any of the above despots. They're just as nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Pootang, look at the company your avatar pitchure keeps, Kipper MEP's in the same grouping as Hungarian fascists. As for having same views as Corbin, if you mean been against imperialist wars, believing society should look out for those most at need, against establishment cover ups and that we achieve more as a society working together rather than against each other, then yes I have the same views as him. Sometimes, and I don't mean this sarcastically, it really amazes me how someone who's obviously not thick as two short planks can be so gullible Just what do you see in him because we see a bloke that wants to open the doors to whoever wants to come in, who wants us (workers) to pay health bills for the worlds poor, who wants to give our country away and who associates with the worlds terrorists. What do you see?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Corbyn is actually much worse than any of you describe. He's an Arsenal supporter for one thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 hmm obersturmfuhrer Corbyn and his quest for world domination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 redogi73, on 03 May 2016 - 7:09 PM, said: How can someone be a Marxist and a liberal? Too diametrically opposed political ideologies, however have some sympathy with the north London comment, but the has moved from the Blarite policies which is dominant amongst that group. Stopping dessent in the PLP, seriously, he's got more to fear from his own back stabbing backbenchers than the Tories! Working together I meant as a society rather than individualistic sod everyone mentality that is dominant at the minute. The PLP is the Parliamentary Labour Party. Working together means working to support the Corbyn Manifesto. The country already pulls together as a society, what with taxes, central & local government. Where the Tories differ is that they want to clear the massive debt run up by past Labour showers of jobbie governments so we don't do a Greece/Ireland/Portugal in the future. Still, Corbyn's too busy getting the IRA, PLO, Hammas and his other friends round the table to worry about the UK economy. Perhaps the KKK are free to join him next time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 big winners from the elections this week the liberal party Labour under Corbyn is a mess it will run its course and return to a more center left position, UKIP under NF is worse than Labour they have also become a tired joke god knows the man has one main platform agenda leaving the EU and the grownups running the leave campaign wont let him near the place because he will turn people away and he knows it, just like Corbyn affiliated with dodgy extremist groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Its not that difficult in politics to just adopt a patronisingly cynical tone and look down your nose at everybody else's efforts and policies. That doesn't actually mean you have any ideas of your own. Our Jeremy has made a good living out of doing just that for many years. Never had to shed a drop of sweat or get his hands dirty. More to the point he has never made a positive contribution to any debate. He has always been a critic, a whinger standing outside the tent peeing in. Self congratulatory protest meetings are one thing, leading a party is quite another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Its not that difficult in politics to just adopt a patronisingly cynical tone and look down your nose at everybody else's efforts and policies. That doesn't actually mean you have any ideas of your own. Our Jeremy has made a good living out of doing just that for many years. Never had to shed a drop of sweat or get his hands dirty. More to the point he has never made a positive contribution to any debate. He has always been a critic, a whinger standing outside the tent peeing in. Self congratulatory protest meetings are one thing, leading a party is quite another. Wow that sums him up to a tee, so well worded. Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesey1981 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Its not that difficult in politics to just adopt a patronisingly cynical tone and look down your nose at everybody else's efforts and policies. That doesn't actually mean you have any ideas of your own. Our Jeremy has made a good living out of doing just that for many years. Never had to shed a drop of sweat or get his hands dirty. More to the point he has never made a positive contribution to any debate. He has always been a critic, a whinger standing outside the tent peeing in. Self congratulatory protest meetings are one thing, leading a party is quite another. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 It's a statement of well documented fact, not fallacy, the company that Corbyn keeps. And yes, I do attack him and his ideologies, and for good reason. When his rallies are full of those who follow the likes of Stalin, Lenin and Mao, some of the biggest mass murderers in history, it doesn't sit well with me. Maybe you're ok with that? Would it be acceptable for the so called 'far right' parties to parade with banners depicting Hitler, Mosley and Mussolini? Don't kid yourself that the militant left that Corbyn represents is any less dangerous than any of the above despots. They're just as nasty. No I meant that it is a fallacy to say that someone is as bad as the company they keep in an argument/discussion. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies /10/Ad_Hominem_Guilt_by_Association Hope that helps you work out the fallacy in your argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 No I meant that it is a fallacy to say that someone is as bad as the company they keep in an argument/discussion. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies /10/Ad_Hominem_Guilt_by_Association Hope that helps you work out the fallacy in your argument. No, not really. As I stated in my original post, it's the company he keeps, and those he supports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 hmm obersturmfuhrer Corbyn and his quest for world domination Corbyn vs Merkel? Nein, no contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Corbyn vs Merkel? Nein, no contest. Corbyn would write her a very strongly worded letter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Or a strongly smelling French letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant Feeder Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Is there anybody even remotely suitable for the job? I seriously can't think of a single candidate in the Labour ranks that I would trust to run a chip shop much less lead Her Majesty's Opposition. Given his oration during the debate on Syria, Hillary Ben could well be in the running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Yes, the only one that stands out as being leadership material, but let's hope Corbyn stays for some time though. Given his oration during the debate on Syria, Hillary Ben could well be in the running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 No, not really. As I stated in my original post, it's the company he keeps, and those he supports. Yes really! It is both, not one or the other, so it is still fallacious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Yes really! It is both, not one or the other, so it is still fallacious What are you on about? I'm assuming you understand the meaning of the word fallacious? In which case perhaps you could explain how the argument of Corbyns preferred company and supported causes is in any way fallacious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 What are you on about? I'm assuming you understand the meaning of the word fallacious? In which case perhaps you could explain how the argument of Corbyns preferred company and supported causes is in any way fallacious? Knob shaped?!!!Sums Jezza up nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) What are you on about? I'm assuming you understand the meaning of the word fallacious? In which case perhaps you could explain how the argument of Corbyns preferred company and supported causes is in any way fallacious? Do you understand the meaning of fallacious? based on a mistaken belief. "fallacious arguments" synonyms: erroneous, false, untrue, wrong, incorrect, faulty, flawed, inaccurate, inexact, imprecise, mistaken, misinformed, misguided, misleading, deceptive, delusive, delusory, illusory, sophistic, specious, fictitious, spurious, fabricated, distorted, made up, trumped up; Are you perhaps thinking of Phallus? Edited May 5, 2016 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Do you understand the meaning of fallacious? based on a mistaken belief. "fallacious arguments" synonyms: erroneous, false, untrue, wrong, incorrect, faulty, flawed, inaccurate, inexact, imprecise, mistaken, misinformed, misguided, misleading, deceptive, delusive, delusory, illusory, sophistic, specious, fictitious, spurious, fabricated, distorted, made up, trumped up; Are you perhaps thinking of Phallus? Think I could go with knob shaped to describe his though processes. Jeremy has a medical problem, there is a knob on both ends of his willy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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