EU EXIT Poll

[Dekers]

I will vote to stay in the EU.

 

Reasons:-

 

Mostly personal and some may say selfish but I work in Europe, deal in euros , travel a lot and with guns, and within the next year will set up a couple of companies when I move.

 

I think leaving will make it harder for me and to be blunt I don't think will change the importantissues in our lives.

 

:hmm:

Whichever way you want to vote, I rather see the State of Europe as important to our lives and those to come!

[dodeer]

:hmm:

Whichever way you want to vote, I rather see the State of Europe as important to our lives and those to come!

Maybe but I think our once great country was lost a long time ago sadly and won't return ever.

Yes some of the EU laws are totally laughable and stupid but like I said it is mostly personal reasons I am voting for.

[Rewulf]

Quite a few posters have remarked about the younger votes wanting to stay in. Let's not forget, we are talking about the future of the country not the past. The youth are the future. The country where they will be working, paying taxes and building the economy whilst the older voters will be retiring or already have. As such I think it's wrong to dismiss their viewpoint, if anything I personally think it should be more relevant, regardless of whether their intention is to vote to stay in or to leave that their voice is considered.

 

This is true.

Everyones vote is their own,and should not be swayed by someone elses viewpoint.

My objections are when BOTH sides resort to lies and shameless distortions of facts.

I have 2 daughters 13 and 15 who even though they are not old enough to vote, firmly believe we should stay in the EU.

Where have they got this strong opinion ?

Their teachers have told them various fantasy stories about the 7 plagues that will descend on the UK if we leave.

They will not be able to study abroad.

Tuition fees will go up.

Unis will close for lack of foreign students.

The UK will become a leper amongst the scientific community due to travel restrictions.

And other such bunkem that the teachers who have the trust of our kids spout.

So yes, the future is for the kids ,as it ever was.

Lets hope there is a future for them.

[secretagentmole]

I will vote to stay in the EU.

 

Reasons:-

 

Mostly personal and some may say selfish but I work in Europe, deal in euros , travel a lot and with guns, and within the next year will set up a couple of companies when I move.

 

I think leaving will make it harder for me and to be blunt I don't think will change the importantissues in our lives.

Seeing as you are obviously bogging off to the continent in the not too distant future why the hell should you have a vote as to whether this country remains a central financial pillar of a corrupt organisation? You will be residing and paying taxes elsewhere, not here!

[secretagentmole]

 

This is true.

Everyones vote is their own,and should not be swayed by someone elses viewpoint.

My objections are when BOTH sides resort to lies and shameless distortions of facts.

I have 2 daughters 13 and 15 who even though they are not old enough to vote, firmly believe we should stay in the EU.

Where have they got this strong opinion ?

Their teachers have told them various fantasy stories about the 7 plagues that will descend on the UK if we leave.

They will not be able to study abroad. UK Students have studied all over the world for decades, us leaving the EU will not stop that!

Tuition fees will go up. Why? What possible reason could there be for that? Foreign students will still come to the UK and pay so the fees should remain the same.

Unis will close for lack of foreign students. They did not close in the decades running up to the mess we are in now, hell in 1989 we had a whole floor of Germans in Halls of Residence...

The UK will become a leper amongst the scientific community due to travel restrictions. What travel restrictions? Perhaps the additional passport controls may put off some humanitarian lecturers?

And other such bunkem that the teachers who have the trust of our kids spout.

So yes, the future is for the kids ,as it ever was.

Lets hope there is a future for them.

 

Your children are being brainwashed, I would write a letter of complaint to the headmaster and send a copy to a nice Eurosceptic daily rag....

[scolopax]

Why?

 

I think that the EU is far from perfect but I am in general more pro than con.

 

I travel through Europe a lot to get to Norway, an EEA country, and work surrounded by other nationalities, Norwegians, Danes, Italians, Dutch, French, Polish, Estonians etc etc, but I can also be the only Brit on the rig. It would be hypocritical of me to bemoan other nationalities working in the UK yet myself go abroad to work. Also to be honest I am on a very good number and do not want to jeopardize that in any way.

Edited May 4, 2016 by scolopax

[sportsbob]

Thanks for the honest answer.

[Rewulf]

 

I think that the EU is far from perfect but I am in general more pro than con.

 

I travel through Europe a lot to get to Norway, an EEA country, and work surrounded by other nationalities, Norwegians, Danes, Italians, Dutch, French, Polish, Estonians etc etc, but I can also be the only Brit on the rig. It would be hypocritical of me to bemoan other nationalities working in the UK yet myself go abroad to work. Also to be honest I am on a very good number and do not want to jeopardize that in any way.

 

Again ,why do people think that the transfer of people for work between EU countries would change ?

The US,Canada,UAE,NZ and Australia are not in the EU.

If you have the skills, and the country has the need,you can work abroad.

Why do people think that if you want out of the EU ,you automatically hate all foreigners?

Its about being able to choose who comes in.

[rjimmer]

 

I think that the EU is far from perfect but I am in general more pro than con.

 

I travel through Europe a lot to get to Norway, an EEA country, and work surrounded by other nationalities, Norwegians, Danes, Italians, Dutch, French, Polish, Estonians etc etc, but I can also be the only Brit on the rig. It would be hypocritical of me to bemoan other nationalities working in the UK yet myself go abroad to work. Also to be honest I am on a very good number and do not want to jeopardize that in any way.

Where are your wages paid?

[rjimmer]

Quite a few posters have remarked about the younger votes wanting to stay in. Let's not forget, we are talking about the future of the country not the past. The youth are the future. The country where they will be working, paying taxes and building the economy whilst the older voters will be retiring or already have. As such I think it's wrong to dismiss their viewpoint, if anything I personally think it should be more relevant, regardless of whether their intention is to vote to stay in or to leave that their voice is considered.

The younger generations will be voting for what they see as their future. The older people voting OUT will also be voting with future generations prospects in mind.

[scolopax]

Where are your wages paid?

 

Norway. Pay my tax there and also HMRC like to take a slice on top too.

 

An out vote would be good for me as I would expect the pound to considerably weaken against the Krone. I have taken at least a 30% pay cut in real terms over the last 18 months due to the exchange rate.

[12gauge82]

Quite a few posters have remarked about the younger votes wanting to stay in. Let's not forget, we are talking about the future of the country not the past. The youth are the future. The country where they will be working, paying taxes and building the economy whilst the older voters will be retiring or already have. As such I think it's wrong to dismiss their viewpoint, if anything I personally think it should be more relevant, regardless of whether their intention is to vote to stay in or to leave that their voice is considered.

Obviously everyone should have their say and they will, I believe alot of the older generation is annoyed as they fell for the government lies when they were young that got us into the EU in the first place and don't want to see a majority of uninformed young falling for the same trick again, most of the campain both in and out is short on facts unless your prepared to do your own research and even then alot of it is very hard to predict anyway. Like I've stated I don't think the older are blaming or wanting to dismiss the young voters they are just using their life experience and don't want to see whole generations making the same mistake they did.

[rjimmer]

Obviously everyone should have their say and they will, I believe alot of the older generation is annoyed as they fell for the government lies when they were young that got us into the EU in the first place and don't want to see a majority of uninformed young falling for the same trick again, most of the campain both in and out is short on facts unless your prepared to do your own research and even then alot of it is very hard to predict anyway. Like I've stated I don't think the older are blaming or wanting to dismiss the young voters they are just using their life experience and don't want to see whole generations making the same mistake they did.

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[ditchman]

Obviously everyone should have their say and they will, I believe alot of the older generation is annoyed as they fell for the government lies when they were young that got us into the EU in the first place and don't want to see a majority of uninformed young falling for the same trick again, most of the campain both in and out is short on facts unless your prepared to do your own research and even then alot of it is very hard to predict anyway. Like I've stated I don't think the older are blaming or wanting to dismiss the young voters they are just using their life experience and don't want to see whole generations making the same mistake they did.

 

 

well said...................my reason for out is not based on immigration ...although that is a part of it

 

my reason is.........that the ORIGINAL concept of easier trade within a block was a very sensible idea...co-operation and balancing of the manufacting and agricultural products..to stop mountains building up and terrible fluctuations in prices...blah blah blah....all sensible stuff.........

 

then you look back now ..say 25 years ago.......and see what it is and stands for and has control over ..now...then look forward anther 20 years and you can guess what it will be like........we as the other countries will be just states of europe..all our identities will have been stripped away...i may not have a lot...but i have my identity AND THAT IS VERY PRECIOUS TO ME .....

[dodeer]

Seeing as you are obviously bogging off to the continent in the not too distant future why the hell should you have a vote as to whether this country remains a central financial pillar of a corrupt organisation? You will be residing and paying taxes elsewhere, not here!

Because I'm still a British citizen and will still be resident for another year here or as the future is never sure maybe another few years.

[rjimmer]

Because I'm still a British citizen and will still be resident for another year here or as the future is never sure maybe another few years.

Just like other travelers, **** off and leave someone else to clear up the mess.

[dodeer]

Just like other travelers, **** off and leave someone else to clear up the mess.

 

Charming!

[secretagentmole]

Because I'm still a British citizen and will still be resident for another year here or as the future is never sure maybe another few years.

But your plan is to leave and abandon this country, so why should you have a vote in what happens in it's long term future? That is arrogant and presumptive beyond belief. What you vote on will not effect you but it will affect me!

[oowee]

I want my kids to be British Europeans part of a prosperous Europe free to travel and trade. Able to move seamlessly between borders where qualifications are recognised and transferable. I want my kids to be part of the fantastic cultural exchange that is the European Project. I want to be a leading part of the European space project the Airbus project the climate change programme the energy resiliance initiatives. I want the strength that comes from union that will help us restructure and drive standards for the economy of Europe and give us a chance to work with and stand up to China and India and other large emerging economies to build a better way of life for the country. I want the UK to be at the heart of that ideal influencing and driving the agenda.

 

I want that project to get back to some of the more traditional roles that it was set up for. I want massive change on the movement of labour and I want the standards that were set for the original EU members to be adhered to. I want to see Europe prosecuting VW for its transgressions rather than the US leading the way. I want a stronger modernising agenda that includes the French. In short there is much wrong with the model that needs to change. Gather the groundswell of opinion across the nation states and change will happen. The UK has a huge part to play but it must drive that change from within not without.

 

Much of what we see as wrong with the model comes in part from our disengagement at government level and the lack of accountability and we should change it. Our Dave started the ball rolling lets build some momentum.

[UKPoacher]

But your plan is to leave and abandon this country, so why should you have a vote in what happens in it's long term future? That is arrogant and presumptive beyond belief. What you vote on will not effect you but it will affect me!

Any ex-pats currently living in EU countries would be affected if there was a Brexit. There would be changes in health care arrangements and the old age pensions would be frozen jut as they are for ex-pats in non EU countries. Also, many pay tax in the UK on private pensions, government pensions and any rental or directorship income they might have. As such I think that they have every right to take up their option to vote.

[poontang]

Just like other travelers, **** off and leave someone else to clear up the mess.

 

 

But your plan is to leave and abandon this country, so why should you have a vote in what happens in it's long term future? That is arrogant and presumptive beyond belief. What you vote on will not effect you but it will affect me!

 

Bit harsh.

 

I'm not sure personal attacks on those wishing to remain is the way forward.

 

I thought this about democracy?

[rjimmer]

I want my kids to be British Europeans part of a prosperous Europe free to travel and trade. Able to move seamlessly between borders where qualifications are recognised and transferable. I want my kids to be part of the fantastic cultural exchange that is the European Project. I want to be a leading part of the European space project the Airbus project the climate change programme the energy resiliance initiatives. I want the strength that comes from union that will help us restructure and drive standards for the economy of Europe and give us a chance to work with and stand up to China and India and other large emerging economies to build a better way of life for the country. I want the UK to be at the heart of that ideal influencing and driving the agenda.

 

I want that project to get back to some of the more traditional roles that it was set up for. I want massive change on the movement of labour and I want the standards that were set for the original EU members to be adhered to. I want to see Europe prosecuting VW for its transgressions rather than the US leading the way. I want a stronger modernising agenda that includes the French. In short there is much wrong with the model that needs to change. Gather the groundswell of opinion across the nation states and change will happen. The UK has a huge part to play but it must drive that change from within not without.

 

Much of what we see as wrong with the model comes in part from our disengagement at government level and the lack of accountability and we should change it. Our Dave started the ball rolling lets build some momentum.

Dream on!

"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe."----Mikhail Gorbachev

[Danger-Mouse]

I want my kids to be British Europeans part of a prosperous Europe free to travel and trade. Able to move seamlessly between borders where qualifications are recognised and transferable. I want my kids to be part of the fantastic cultural exchange that is the European Project. I want to be a leading part of the European space project the Airbus project the climate change programme the energy resiliance initiatives. I want the strength that comes from union that will help us restructure and drive standards for the economy of Europe and give us a chance to work with and stand up to China and India and other large emerging economies to build a better way of life for the country. I want the UK to be at the heart of that ideal influencing and driving the agenda.

 

I want that project to get back to some of the more traditional roles that it was set up for. I want massive change on the movement of labour and I want the standards that were set for the original EU members to be adhered to. I want to see Europe prosecuting VW for its transgressions rather than the US leading the way. I want a stronger modernising agenda that includes the French. In short there is much wrong with the model that needs to change. Gather the groundswell of opinion across the nation states and change will happen. The UK has a huge part to play but it must drive that change from within not without.

 

Much of what we see as wrong with the model comes in part from our disengagement at government level and the lack of accountability and we should change it. Our Dave started the ball rolling lets build some momentum.

 

Vote out then. Because the only way that institution is going to change is if it gets a kick up the backside that makes it fear for it`s own existence. Our leaving may cause reform but if we stay it will just be more federalisation.

 

If anything might persuade you I`d look at the news today about what`s likely to happen to our NHS if TTIP goes through. You might also want to take a look at the Whitepaper that wants to form a European military under German control.

[rjimmer]

 

Vote out then. Because the only way that institution is going to change is if it gets a kick up the backside that makes it fear for it`s own existence. Our leaving may cause reform but if we stay it will just be more federalisation.

 

You beat me to it.

[Rewulf]

You beat me to it.

 

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