EU EXIT Poll

[dodeer]

But your plan is to leave and abandon this country, so why should you have a vote in what happens in it's long term future? That is arrogant and presumptive beyond belief. What you vote on will not effect you but it will affect me!

Yes but I'm entitled to vote and shall be. Just because I may be living somewhere else doesn't mean my family and friends along with business interests don't mean anything to me.

 

I am doing what I think is right and just because you may not agree doesn't mean I'm arrogant. Seems you and old man Roper will chastise anyone who doesn't wish to leave.

[poontang]

I want my kids to be British Europeans part of a prosperous Europe free to travel and trade. Able to move seamlessly between borders where qualifications are recognised and transferable. I want my kids to be part of the fantastic cultural exchange that is the European Project. I want to be a leading part of the European space project the Airbus project the climate change programme the energy resiliance initiatives. I want the strength that comes from union that will help us restructure and drive standards for the economy of Europe and give us a chance to work with and stand up to China and India and other large emerging economies to build a better way of life for the country. I want the UK to be at the heart of that ideal influencing and driving the agenda.

 

I want that project to get back to some of the more traditional roles that it was set up for. I want massive change on the movement of labour and I want the standards that were set for the original EU members to be adhered to. I want to see Europe prosecuting VW for its transgressions rather than the US leading the way. I want a stronger modernising agenda that includes the French. In short there is much wrong with the model that needs to change. Gather the groundswell of opinion across the nation states and change will happen. The UK has a huge part to play but it must drive that change from within not without.

 

 

 

If this isn't a copy and paste, I'll hazard a guess that you're Nick Clegg!

[12gauge82]

 

If this isn't a copy and paste, I'll hazard a guess that you're Nick Clegg!

Hahahahahaha

[UKPoacher]

I want my kids to be British Europeans part of a prosperous Europe free to travel and trade. Able to move seamlessly between borders where qualifications are recognised and transferable. I want my kids to be part of the fantastic cultural exchange that is the European Project. I want to be a leading part of the European space project the Airbus project the climate change programme the energy resiliance initiatives. I want the strength that comes from union that will help us restructure and drive standards for the economy of Europe and give us a chance to work with and stand up to China and India and other large emerging economies to build a better way of life for the country. I want the UK to be at the heart of that ideal influencing and driving the agenda.

 

I want that project to get back to some of the more traditional roles that it was set up for. I want massive change on the movement of labour and I want the standards that were set for the original EU members to be adhered to. I want to see Europe prosecuting VW for its transgressions rather than the US leading the way. I want a stronger modernising agenda that includes the French. In short there is much wrong with the model that needs to change. Gather the groundswell of opinion across the nation states and change will happen. The UK has a huge part to play but it must drive that change from within not without.

 

Much of what we see as wrong with the model comes in part from our disengagement at government level and the lack of accountability and we should change it. Our Dave started the ball rolling lets build some momentum.

.Look at some of the countries within the EU and define prosperity - Greece, Cyprus, Spain and Italy for example.

 

You can be part of a prosperous Europe without being in the EU.

 

Qualifications gained in the UK are not recognised by all member states of the EU. Health professionals, teachers, electrician, plumbers, even pest control operatives find that their qualifications are not recognised should they move to a EU country.

 

You want free and unrestricted movement across EU borders. So do the unemployed and poor of Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and the economic migrants and refugees given citizenship in those countries. Is that really a good idea?

 

Why don't you want your kids to be part of a fantastic cultural exchange between countries of the world rather than restrict them to EU members?

 

You want the UK to be part of a strong union to stand up to Chinese and Indian trade. So why shackle the UK to sluggish, failing economies such as Romania, Greece and others?

 

You want the UK to be at the heart of the union and driving the agenda. Pray tell me when the UK last had a defining influence on EU policy?

 

You want the EU project to return to its old values. Is there really any chance of that? Look at the history.

 

You want the EU to prosecute VW. You don't seem to realise that the EU is driven by Germany and they are hardly likely to prosecute one of their leading companies. America on the other hand has other motives.

 

You want change in the EU that is never going to happen. Look at the history again. The member states were lured into the agreement on false pretences. Once in they found it impossible to resist the changes forced upon them from within the EU. Changing the voting policy to give smaller members more say strengthens the EU agenda as those small countries are dependent on EU subsidies.

 

As for Dave's ball rolling. Look at the facts. All he got was an agreement to look at some minor policies subject to EU Parliament approval.It is in the interests of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary amongst others to export their unemployed to the UK to claim benefits there. They will never ratify Dave's demands.

 

What you are asking for is the ideal of the European Union, not the reality.

[rjimmer]

I will vote to stay in the EU.

 

Reasons:-

 

Mostly personal and some may say selfish

Most people voting to stay IN are doing it for selfish reasons.

[Rewulf]

.Look at some of the countries within the EU and define prosperity - Greece, Cyprus, Spain and Italy for example.

 

You can be part of a prosperous Europe without being in the EU.

 

Qualifications gained in the UK are not recognised by all member states of the EU. Health professionals, teachers, electrician, plumbers, even pest control operatives find that their qualifications are not recognised should they move to a EU country.

 

You want free and unrestricted movement across EU borders. So do the unemployed and poor of Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and the economic migrants and refugees given citizenship in those countries. Is that really a good idea?

 

Why don't you want your kids to be part of a fantastic cultural exchange between countries of the world rather than restrict them to EU members?

 

You want the UK to be part of a strong union to stand up to Chinese and Indian trade. So why shackle the UK to sluggish, failing economies such as Romania, Greece and others?

 

You want the UK to be at the heart of the union and driving the agenda. Pray tell me when the UK last had a defining influence on EU policy?

 

You want the EU project to return to its old values. Is there really any chance of that? Look at the history.

 

You want the EU to prosecute VW. You don't seem to realise that the EU is driven by Germany and they are hardly likely to prosecute one of their leading companies. America on the other hand has other motives.

 

You want change in the EU that is never going to happen. Look at the history again. The member states were lured into the agreement on false pretences. Once in they found it impossible to resist the changes forced upon them from within the EU. Changing the voting policy to give smaller members more say strengthens the EU agenda as those small countries are dependent on EU subsidies.

 

As for Dave's ball rolling. Look at the facts. All he got was an agreement to look at some minor policies subject to EU Parliament approval.It is in the interests of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary amongst others to export their unemployed to the UK to claim benefits there. They will never ratify Dave's demands.

 

What you are asking for is the ideal of the European Union, not the reality.

 

Absolutely bang on

[rjimmer]

.Look at some of the countries within the EU and define prosperity - Greece, Cyprus, Spain and Italy for example.

 

You can be part of a prosperous Europe without being in the EU.

 

Qualifications gained in the UK are not recognised by all member states of the EU. Health professionals, teachers, electrician, plumbers, even pest control operatives find that their qualifications are not recognised should they move to a EU country.

 

You want free and unrestricted movement across EU borders. So do the unemployed and poor of Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and the economic migrants and refugees given citizenship in those countries. Is that really a good idea?

 

Why don't you want your kids to be part of a fantastic cultural exchange between countries of the world rather than restrict them to EU members?

 

You want the UK to be part of a strong union to stand up to Chinese and Indian trade. So why shackle the UK to sluggish, failing economies such as Romania, Greece and others?

 

You want the UK to be at the heart of the union and driving the agenda. Pray tell me when the UK last had a defining influence on EU policy?

 

You want the EU project to return to its old values. Is there really any chance of that? Look at the history.

 

You want the EU to prosecute VW. You don't seem to realise that the EU is driven by Germany and they are hardly likely to prosecute one of their leading companies. America on the other hand has other motives.

 

You want change in the EU that is never going to happen. Look at the history again. The member states were lured into the agreement on false pretences. Once in they found it impossible to resist the changes forced upon them from within the EU. Changing the voting policy to give smaller members more say strengthens the EU agenda as those small countries are dependent on EU subsidies.

 

As for Dave's ball rolling. Look at the facts. All he got was an agreement to look at some minor policies subject to EU Parliament approval.It is in the interests of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary amongst others to export their unemployed to the UK to claim benefits there. They will never ratify Dave's demands.

 

What you are asking for is the ideal of the European Union, not the reality.

+1

[oowee]

 

If this isn't a copy and paste, I'll hazard a guess that you're Nick Clegg!

He is my hero No all my own work. I did struggle a little thinking of large cross border projects though.

[oowee]

.Look at some of the countries within the EU and define prosperity - Greece, Cyprus, Spain and Italy for example.

 

You can be part of a prosperous Europe without being in the EU.

 

Qualifications gained in the UK are not recognised by all member states of the EU. Health professionals, teachers, electrician, plumbers, even pest control operatives find that their qualifications are not recognised should they move to a EU country.

 

You want free and unrestricted movement across EU borders. So do the unemployed and poor of Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and the economic migrants and refugees given citizenship in those countries. Is that really a good idea?

 

Why don't you want your kids to be part of a fantastic cultural exchange between countries of the world rather than restrict them to EU members?

 

You want the UK to be part of a strong union to stand up to Chinese and Indian trade. So why shackle the UK to sluggish, failing economies such as Romania, Greece and others?

 

You want the UK to be at the heart of the union and driving the agenda. Pray tell me when the UK last had a defining influence on EU policy?

 

You want the EU project to return to its old values. Is there really any chance of that? Look at the history.

 

You want the EU to prosecute VW. You don't seem to realise that the EU is driven by Germany and they are hardly likely to prosecute one of their leading companies. America on the other hand has other motives.

 

You want change in the EU that is never going to happen. Look at the history again. The member states were lured into the agreement on false pretences. Once in they found it impossible to resist the changes forced upon them from within the EU. Changing the voting policy to give smaller members more say strengthens the EU agenda as those small countries are dependent on EU subsidies.

 

As for Dave's ball rolling. Look at the facts. All he got was an agreement to look at some minor policies subject to EU Parliament approval.It is in the interests of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary amongst others to export their unemployed to the UK to claim benefits there. They will never ratify Dave's demands.

 

What you are asking for is the ideal of the European Union, not the reality.

The lack of prosperity in Euro countries listed is surely down to other factors rather than their membership restructuring must be the starting point. There lack of prosperity of course is to Germany huge benefit. We dont cut off less prosperous parts of the UK do we?

True but having worked on some of the very largest UK investment projects that have created and provide thousands of UK jobs I can personally vouch for those that hinged on EU membership coupled with the UK's relaxed labour rules.

Recognition not yet but under harmonisation this will come.

Free movement of labour from poor to rich balances competitiveness. We welcome it in the UK the move north to south. There needs to be some measures applied and this will have to be worked on exactly as the EU is learning with the refugee crisis.

The UK has not been at the heart of policy over the last two parliaments because of the factions in the Tory party and our sceptic euro mp's. The French and the Germans have reaped the profits whilst we have been twiddling our thumbs. We do need greater accountability in the EU election process.

The history of the EU is short and it started the right way why cant it change?

Its clearly easier to prosecute from the outside ie the EU against Google there is room for work here.

Change in accountability is coming the member states are starting to ask for it now and that includes Merkel.

Daves changes are a starter for ten quickly followed by the Netherlands it will come because it is required to keep the project on track.

I agree its not ideal as it is but why throw the baby out? The UK could be a massive partner but it has to get a grip and focus that is hard to do when your parties heart is not in the game.

[Scully]

.Look at some of the countries within the EU and define prosperity - Greece, Cyprus, Spain and Italy for example.

 

You can be part of a prosperous Europe without being in the EU.

 

Qualifications gained in the UK are not recognised by all member states of the EU. Health professionals, teachers, electrician, plumbers, even pest control operatives find that their qualifications are not recognised should they move to a EU country.

 

You want free and unrestricted movement across EU borders. So do the unemployed and poor of Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and the economic migrants and refugees given citizenship in those countries. Is that really a good idea?

 

Why don't you want your kids to be part of a fantastic cultural exchange between countries of the world rather than restrict them to EU members?

 

You want the UK to be part of a strong union to stand up to Chinese and Indian trade. So why shackle the UK to sluggish, failing economies such as Romania, Greece and others?

 

You want the UK to be at the heart of the union and driving the agenda. Pray tell me when the UK last had a defining influence on EU policy?

 

You want the EU project to return to its old values. Is there really any chance of that? Look at the history.

 

You want the EU to prosecute VW. You don't seem to realise that the EU is driven by Germany and they are hardly likely to prosecute one of their leading companies. America on the other hand has other motives.

 

You want change in the EU that is never going to happen. Look at the history again. The member states were lured into the agreement on false pretences. Once in they found it impossible to resist the changes forced upon them from within the EU. Changing the voting policy to give smaller members more say strengthens the EU agenda as those small countries are dependent on EU subsidies.

 

As for Dave's ball rolling. Look at the facts. All he got was an agreement to look at some minor policies subject to EU Parliament approval.It is in the interests of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary amongst others to export their unemployed to the UK to claim benefits there. They will never ratify Dave's demands.

 

What you are asking for is the ideal of the European Union, not the reality.

 

Good post.

[UKPoacher]

The lack of prosperity in Euro countries listed is surely down to other factors rather than their membership restructuring must be the starting point. There lack of prosperity of course is to Germany huge benefit. We dont cut off less prosperous parts of the UK do we?

True but having worked on some of the very largest UK investment projects that have created and provide thousands of UK jobs I can personally vouch for those that hinged on EU membership coupled with the UK's relaxed labour rules.

Recognition not yet but under harmonisation this will come.

Free movement of labour from poor to rich balances competitiveness. We welcome it in the UK the move north to south. There needs to be some measures applied and this will have to be worked on exactly as the EU is learning with the refugee crisis.

The UK has not been at the heart of policy over the last two parliaments because of the factions in the Tory party and our sceptic euro mp's. The French and the Germans have reaped the profits whilst we have been twiddling our thumbs. We do need greater accountability in the EU election process.

The history of the EU is short and it started the right way why cant it change?

Its clearly easier to prosecute from the outside ie the EU against Google there is room for work here.

Change in accountability is coming the member states are starting to ask for it now and that includes Merkel.

Daves changes are a starter for ten quickly followed by the Netherlands it will come because it is required to keep the project on track.

I agree its not ideal as it is but why throw the baby out? The UK could be a massive partner but it has to get a grip and focus that is hard to do when your parties heart is not in the game.

Watch my lips: The UK have never been able to change EU policy. Not ever.

 

55 occasions British Ministers have said they will object to an EU directive, and on 55 occasions they have been over-ruled

 

In fact, some research has suggested that around 70% of decisions are actually taken in practice before they reach a council vote. The Permanent Representatives Committee (COREPER), for instance, is made up of civil servants from member states who take part in the decision-making process without formally voting.

https://fullfact.org/europe/how-often-does-eu-overrule-british-ministers/

 

If you want to vote to remain then you are perfectly at liberty to do so. But the reasons you have posted for your decision are so far off the mark that they are comical.

[12gauge82]

Out of interest, what's the people who are voting out, view on why Cameron wants us to stay in the EU? Does everyone think he believes what he's spouting or does he have an agenda and if so, what?

[rjimmer]

 

If you want to vote to remain then you are perfectly at liberty to do so. But the reasons you have posted for your decision are so far off the mark that they are comical.

Delusional, more like.

Out of interest, what's the people who are voting out, view on why Cameron wants us to stay in the EU? Does everyone think he believes what he's spouting or does he have an agenda and if so, what?

I think he wants to keep his banker friends happy.

[poontang]

He is my hero No all my own work. I did struggle a little thinking of large cross border projects though.

 

Well at least you're honest... which is more than can be said for Nick Clegg.

[AVB]

Out of interest, what's the people who are voting out, view on why Cameron wants us to stay in the EU? Does everyone think he believes what he's spouting or does he have an agenda and if so, what?

 

I think he genuinely believes in it. Some people do, some people don't.

[Vince Green]

I think that anyone who believes the EU is working, (ie doing what it set out to do) is simply not looking at the facts. At every level it has failed to achieve even shambolic success.

Its just completely bogged down in corruption and countries looking after their own interests. There is no team effort, no common purpose.

The decision making process is painfully slow and largely ignored. What's the point in staying? Is it even capable of reforming itself? There is no union no unity just greed.

 

Look at the so called benefits of being in the EU

 

No 1, Free trade. Big deal, they are all flippin bankrupt, what trade?

 

No2, Free passage between countries, how hard is it to have to show a passport? I would actually prefer everybody to have to.

 

no3, Ability to live and work in other countries, who would want to work in Bulgaria for 80p an hour? Compared to how many Bulgarian would want to work here?

 

I really just can't see any benefit for us in any of it

Edited May 5, 2016 by Vince Green

[MonkeyKong]

 

No2, Free passage between countries, how hard is it to have to show a passport? I would actually prefer everybody to have to.

 

+1

 

When the govt trotted out the "EU great for dropping mobile roaming charges" last year I was really confused as to who would honestly be swayed by something so facile. Similarly the last time the EU tried to drag us into the Euro a serious point raised was "it will mean you don't have to change money when you travel". Is that all that rouses political interest now? Not paying for roaming charges and avoiding a queue at the Bureau de Change?

 

Peter North summed this up quite succinctly on his blog recently...

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/the-big-debate.html

 

 

It is apparent to me that we do not have the raw material for a participatory democracy. For that to happen we first need a public that wants to participate. People don't want to be bothered by such questions. They want to live their insular selfish lives and will only vote insofar as something has a practical impact on their own lives. For anything else they are only too happy to abdicate their responsibilities as citizens.

 

As much as I tried to boil it down to one or two basic concepts, I found the democracy argument does not resonate. As a people we are out of the habit of owning the decisions we make. It seems to me that the next generation will have to discover the hard way what democracy is and why it's something worth having.

 

For the time being, the question on nearly everyone's lips is "what's in it for me?" - and if that's the question they want me to answer - and "democracy" isn't enough of an incentive then the whole exercise is entirely pointless.

[Rewulf]

+1

 

When the govt trotted out the "EU great for dropping mobile roaming charges" last year I was really confused as to who would honestly be swayed by something so facile.

 

 

The EU has been trying to 'force' the mobile telecoms industry for 20 years to drop or reduce roaming charges,thats how effective they are at getting things done.

The telecom giants have pretty much ignored them,and will probably continue to do so.

The funny thing is a lot of the giants of this business sector are French or German

[krugerandsmith]

+1

 

+2 Well done that man ... Reality and clear vision.