ordnance Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Let's start here: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/19/eu-referendum-nobel-prize-winning-economists-warn-of-long-term-brexit-damage The truth is no one knows what will happen if the UK leaves including you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 At least if we vote to leave we will be making our own destiny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) At least if we vote to leave we will be making our own destiny! No, we will be on our knees begging for trade deals. They will be so one sided against us that business will weep. It isn't creating one's own destiny. Edited June 20, 2016 by guest1957 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 No, we will be on our knees begging for trade deals. They will be so one sided against us that business will weep. You believe whatever you wish to, I am a realist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 The only economys not enjoying huge growth currently is that of the eu, there is every chance we will do far better out of it, especially with the way the eu zone is currently looking with huge debt and unemployment, the eu is trying to create a level playing field across all members, the only way it can do that is by getting chumps like us in the UK to pay for joining countrys, stay in and it won't be long and our hard earned cash will be paying to raise turkeys living standards at our expense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 No, we will be on our knees begging for trade deals. They will be so one sided against us that business will weep. It isn't creating one's own destiny. You should let us in on who your clairvoyant is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longspoon Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Rod - read this: http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/17/welcome-to-the-fantasy-island-of-little-england/ I implore you to do the same by not voting for Brexit. The damage your anger could do to our future is immeasurable. That's your opinion.....I'm fed up with being allied to our natural enemies !!.....Leave.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 No, we will be on our knees begging for trade deals. They will be so one sided against us that business will weep. It isn't creating one's own destiny. Are you really that naive ? Sorry but your statement is so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longspoon Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 No, we will be on our knees begging for trade deals. They will be so one sided against us that business will weep. It isn't creating one's own destiny. What planet are you on chap ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Are you really that naive ? Sorry but your statement is so Please, tell what your greater insight is? I suspect you have nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longspoon Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Please, tell what your greater insight is? I suspect you have nothing. You are making my evening .....admit it....we are better off out !.......oh, and England does not beg ! Edited June 20, 2016 by longspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 You are making my evening .....admit it....we are better off out !.......oh, and England does not beg ! I wish one of you would make an intellectual argument instead of this peculiar self indulgence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 ive only met one person who wants to stay in and guess what she lives in the iom who arent even eu members,how wise is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Please, tell what your greater insight is? I suspect you have nothing. I happen to know that several large european companies rely on the sales to the uk. BMW for instance sell a huge amount of cars over here, 20% of their production is it? Then there's Audi, VW, Renault, Citroen etc, etc. Plus all the other junk we buy off them. Do you really think those companies are going to roll over and submit if told to stop selling to us or the eu puts heavy tariffs on exports to us ? No ? ............ Thought not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) I wish one of you would make an intellectual argument instead of this peculiar self indulgence. The problem is you are posting as if they are facts not opinions. guest1957, on 20 Jun 2016 - 9:00 PM, said:No, we will be on our knees begging for trade deals. They will be so one sided against us that business will weep. It isn't creating one's own destiny guest1957, on 20 Jun 2016 - 8:10 PM, said: Therein lies the problem. Brexiters won't engage with the arguments. What right have you to destroy our economy and the economic future of the younger generation? guest1957, on 20 Jun 2016 - 6:15 PM, said: I implore you to do the same by not voting for Brexit. The damage your anger could do to our future is immeasurable. Edited June 20, 2016 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Rod - read this: http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/17/welcome-to-the-fantasy-island-of-little-england/ I implore you to do the same by not voting for Brexit. The damage your anger could do to our future is immeasurable. This is an excellent piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 This is an excellent piece. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 :lol: You mock but you lack the ability to engage. How are you selling your position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djrwood Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I happen to know that several large european companies rely on the sales to the uk. BMW for instance sell a huge amount of cars over here, 20% of their production is it? Then there's Audi, VW, Renault, Citroen etc, etc. Plus all the other junk we buy off them. Do you really think those companies are going to roll over and submit if told to stop selling to us or the eu puts heavy tariffs on exports to us ? No ? ............ Thought not This is an interesting argument for me, the old they sell more to us than we do them so if they put tariffs on its OK as we will earn more in the tariffs we charge them. My belief is whatever happens Europe will not trade with us tariff free without free movement of people. If they did it would be the break up of the eu as its one of their main principles. Therefore our government shall counteract the tariffs imposed on uk exports by doing be same to eu imports. Great, not really. The additional 20% it costs to buy the nice new VW or Audi will probably be passed on to the consumer. I doubt the government will subsidise all eu purchases to cover the increased costs. Same with most over things imported from Europe. However for me, if living costs me a little more and my house is worth a little less, it will be a small price to pay for the future I want for my son. I want him to have a place in a reasonably sized classroom, get taught about different cultures not have them forced upon him, I want him to be able to get a doctors appointment without waiting, see a dentist on the nhs, have reasonable prospects when it comes to work and further education. Imo all of these will be helped by getting out the eu, controlling our borders and having a government that we elect in control of our laws and policies, so when we don't like them we can kick them out and hold the rascals accountable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Please, tell what your greater insight is? I suspect you have nothing. I wish one of you would make an intellectual argument instead of this peculiar self indulgence. You mock but you lack the ability to engage. How are you selling your position? I posted, not one, but two replies to one of your earlier posts and you`ve yet to comment on either. Who`s not engaging? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I wish one of you would make an intellectual argument instead of this peculiar self indulgence. So...why don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 This is an excellent piece. It has some merit regarding the economic situation, but vastly over eggs it in places, and is largely correct to think that we will need to be in the single market and to do that we will need to adhere to much of the EU's laws. But really for me it lands squarely in the 'bash the opposition' camp that it vilifies and characterises all in the OUT camp as little Englanders, which is unfortunate. If we leave the EU we will not be destitute, we will not be financially crippled but it will have destabilizing effect until we can renegotiate new deals, other than that it is just conjecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRYAN3 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 So, how is that Chilcott thing coming on then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 It has some merit regarding the economic situation, but vastly over eggs it in places, and is largely correct to think that we will need to be in the single market and to do that we will need to adhere to much of the EU's laws. But really for me it lands squarely in the 'bash the opposition' camp that it vilifies and characterises all in the OUT camp as little Englanders, which is unfortunate. If we leave the EU we will not be destitute, we will not be financially crippled but it will have destabilizing effect until we can renegotiate new deals, other than that it is just conjecture. I agree. Its simply a matter of time to negotiate if its quick and takes just 5 years thats enough time to loose business form the UK. I think we will loose many of the industries here that manufacture for the EU (Honda, Nissan, Toyota, BMW etc etc) to the mainland. Over time I could see the UK realigning itself to a realigned EU back in under a new banner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 notwithstanding this, my original point is Farage has sunk his own campaign which until a potentially inspired nut case murdered Jo Cox and he then used a racist propaganda poster The poster was published before she was shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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