moose man Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 'King Arthur' Scargill isn't in the House of Lords and never will be. I don't know of any other miner's union leaders who were knighted for that matter. Lord Gormly ..former miners leader before Scargill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 He's just not got what it takes, (mind you, neither had Milliband). The party is just sinking into the mud at the bottom of the political pond and will probably stay there. Fingers crossed. Fantastic news. Keeps them unelectable where they belong. I am scared that you may be wrong. Then we'll all be screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Fantastic news. Keeps them unelectable where they belong. Exactly. The Torys aren't perfect but with the poop flying about, they're the best bet in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 For gods sake give the guy a chance it simple for all of you conservative supporters to criticize from what I see of it your chosen one Theresa May is putting her foot in it all of the time every time one of here people says something she has a go at them I would not be surprised if some of them get peed off with her and quit. :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Its more than not having a good leader, the whole party is rubbish, the last election was an embarrassment UKPoacher you are so right, they should be banging on about unacceptable working conditions in places like Sports Direct but not a word. Zero hours contracts and temp jobs. It should be their bread and butter. I'm currently a student and have a zero hour contract! I can pick and choose my shifts, do loads when I have free time, and do none if I'm very busy with essays. I think the issue is companies having people on bad conditions, unfair terms and clauses and having people on zero hour contracts for years. Mind you in the council I've been in the amount of sickness is ridiculous, half the staff team sat at home on full pay! There is no way a private business could ever operate like that! The best staff are the zero hour ones cos if you Dont come to work you don't get paid! For gods sake give the guy a chance it simple for all of you conservative supporters to criticize from what I see of it your chosen one Theresa May is putting her foot in it all of the time every time one of here people says something she has a go at them I would not be surprised if some of them get peed off with her and quit. :good: I'm a labour supporter and party member and think both Corbyn and Smith were bad choices, Smith was worse as he wanted to reverse the result of Brexit (something mostly voted for in working class labour areas) totally out of touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I'm currently a student and have a zero hour contract! I can pick and choose my shifts, do loads when I have free time, and do none if I'm very busy with essays. I think the issue is companies having people on bad conditions, unfair terms and clauses and having people on zero hour contracts for years. Mind you in the council I've been in the amount of sickness is ridiculous, half the staff team sat at home on full pay! There is no way a private business could ever operate like that! The best staff are the zero hour ones cos if you Dont come to work you don't get paid! I'm a labour supporter and party member and think both Corbyn and Smith were bad choices, Smith was worse as he wanted to reverse the result of Brexit (something mostly voted for in working class labour areas) totally out of touch. Who would you have prefferred as a candidate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 God help us if Corbyn and his fellow Trots ever get into power, I suspect we can kiss goodbye to many freedom we currently enjoy! And beware, once in a position of power they will be very, very difficult to remove! The Rise of Corbyn is down to successive governments (principally, the self serving, so called New Labour, who were just Tories in disguise!) ignoring people's needs, "spinning" the truth, and constantly screwing people over, they are to blame for the voter apathy created in ordinary voters, that has left the door open for the extreme left to steal the Labour Party by default! That is, I believe, why the Labour Party has disappeared into obscurity in Scotland.......the allegedly left wing SNP took power by default! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Who would you have prefferred as a candidate? I honestly couldn't say, and certainly don't know every MP with detail, it would be something I would have to look into, I was not allowed to vote in the leadership election as I joined outside of what they said was allowed. I did become a member before Corbyn became really big on the scene though. To be honest I was quite releaved that I wasn't casting a vote as I didn't like either of the candidates. I think Corbyn is unelectable, a fantasist and professional complainer. Smith wanted to turn back the Brexit vote, something that traditional working class labour voters clearly voted for in numbers. Milliband before them was as useful as a chocolate fire guard. The party is struggling IMO with internal power struggles between factions putting forwards their own friends and associates. If you or I wanted to run for MP under labour they decide which area you are allowed to run in, it's not the best person for the job from their own area representing their own communities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) Very interesting, I do understand exactly what you feel. I am amazed that when JC sat on the back benches he was the proverbial thorn in the side of the party and disagreed with everything, often appearing to do so on principle. Now he is the re-elected leader with a larger majority the reprisals may start and he already appears to be pleading for unity and a collective voice. How short his memory must be. Edited September 25, 2016 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I honestly couldn't say, and certainly don't know every MP with detail, it would be something I would have to look into, I was not allowed to vote in the leadership election as I joined outside of what they said was allowed. I did become a member before Corbyn became really big on the scene though. To be honest I was quite releaved that I wasn't casting a vote as I didn't like either of the candidates. I think Corbyn is unelectable, a fantasist and professional complainer. Smith wanted to turn back the Brexit vote, something that traditional working class labour voters clearly voted for in numbers. Milliband before them was as useful as a chocolate fire guard. The party is struggling IMO with internal power struggles between factions putting forwards their own friends and associates. If you or I wanted to run for MP under labour they decide which area you are allowed to run in, it's not the best person for the job from their own area representing their own communities. What is the point in complaining about who they chose to run when you have no names to offer as an alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 God help us if Corbyn and his fellow Trots ever get into power, I suspect we can kiss goodbye to many freedom we currently enjoy! And beware, once in a position of power they will be very, very difficult to remove! The Rise of Corbyn is down to successive governments (principally, the self serving, so called New Labour, who were just Tories in disguise!) ignoring people's needs, "spinning" the truth, and constantly screwing people over, they are to blame for the voter apathy created in ordinary voters, that has left the door open for the extreme left to steal the Labour Party by default! That is, I believe, why the Labour Party has disappeared into obscurity in Scotland.......the allegedly left wing SNP took power by default! So if as you seem to think all of the parties are no good we just as well go back to olden times and leave everything to the Queen and we will all be serfs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I honestly couldn't say, and certainly don't know every MP with detail, it would be something I would have to look into, I was not allowed to vote in the leadership election as I joined outside of what they said was allowed. I did become a member before Corbyn became really big on the scene though. To be honest I was quite releaved that I wasn't casting a vote as I didn't like either of the candidates. I think Corbyn is unelectable, a fantasist and professional complainer. Smith wanted to turn back the Brexit vote, something that traditional working class labour voters clearly voted for in numbers. Milliband before them was as useful as a chocolate fire guard. The party is struggling IMO with internal power struggles between factions putting forwards their own friends and associates. If you or I wanted to run for MP under labour they decide which area you are allowed to run in, it's not the best person for the job from their own area representing their own communities. There lies the problem!..........."Party politics" if you want to stand as an MP for a particular party you must do as you are told and always pull the Party line, you cannot vote freely and with your own conscience against the party or you will never get up the greasy pole and most likely just be frozen out!....anyone who has gotten anywhere in politics has got there not through integrity, honesty and/or ability but through systematic back side licking! Politicians are nothing but self serving pigs with their snouts permanently in the troughs, sucking up their fill of the riches the electorate provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 So if as you seem to think all of the parties are no good we just as well go back to olden times and leave everything to the Queen and we will all be serfs. Nope! just get rid of party politics and elect individuals with integrity who are answerable to you and will represent your interests.........not the interests of "the Party" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 There lies the problem!..........."Party politics" if you want to stand as an MP for a particular party you must do as you are told and always pull the Party line, you cannot vote freely and with your own conscience against the party or you will never get up the greasy pole and most likely just be frozen out!....anyone who has gotten anywhere in politics has got there not through integrity, honesty and/or ability but through systematic back side licking! Politicians are nothing but self serving pigs with their snouts permanently in the troughs, sucking up their fill of the riches the electorate provide. My god you do have a problem if you think so little of everyone in power I may not agree with other peoples politics but I think that for the most part people go in to politics with good intention in mind not everyone is that selfish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 My god you do have a problem if you think so little of everyone in power I may not agree with other peoples politics but I think that for the most part people go in to politics with good intention in mind not everyone is that selfish. No I don't have a problem....we do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 No I don't have a problem....we do! I do not have a problem with it I voted for Corbyn and I am happy to admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I do not have a problem with it I voted for Corbyn and I am happy to admit it. Me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Me as well. Naughty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Me as well. I hope you don't regret that come 2020. I am scared you may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 As a committed Tory voter, I too voted for Corbyn. I am so very pleased with the result. Go team Corbyn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) As a committed Tory voter, I too voted for Corbyn. I am so very pleased with the result. Go team Corbyn! What did it cost you this time? I heard they had put the prices up to be a Labour Party Member. Edited September 25, 2016 by UKPoacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Nick Ferrari (LBC) tipped this first time around - his dog is a life long Corbyn supporter too. Seriously though, it's genuinely brilliant and will keep labour in the wilderness for the foreseeable - there's a party split on the horizon surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 As a committed Tory voter, I too voted for Corbyn. I am so very pleased with the result. Go team Corbyn! I really hope that you are correct. But fear you may not be. He is looking more and more like a politician every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I really hope that you are correct. But fear you may not be. He is looking more and more like a politician every day. Don't worry. Corbyn is as electable as Michael Foot was. The British electorate are pretty dumb as they occasionally vote in a Labour government but never will Contade Corbyn be voted in. Long may he reign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Don't worry. Corbyn is as electable as Michael Foot was. The British electorate are pretty dumb as they occasionally vote in a Labour government but never will Contade Corbyn be voted in. Long may he reign. Two words that have consigned labour to the grass for a whole generation 'David Milliband'. Yes, it all went wrong from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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