ejb Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Just wondering if anyone could help. I have a winchester over under which has all been fine for years but suddenly its started not ejecting used cartridge out of the top barrel. The thing is the ejector seems to work but the cartridge jams in and need pliers to get it out. When putting a full cartridge in its all normal and comes out fine its just once its been fired. Any ideas what this could be and what i can do to get it sorted? Thanks in advance. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 It's a bit common of older Winchester o/u's for the cartridge to ride over the ejector rim, generally it's an ejector starting to splay out and will need a gunsmith to make one or may just be you've changed cartridges and the gun doesn't like them, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Yep, seen that a few times on O/U's when the ejector shoots past the rim of the cartridge and jams, like sishyplops said it will need a gunsmith to put it right. Is there a lot of movement in the ejector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejb Posted December 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 not sure its that as the ejector doesnt move! only reason i know the ejector works is from firing it with no cartridges in. the ejector pops out fine then. its asthough the brass expands and then cartridge get jamed in barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 So you are saying that after you have fired the gun and opened it the spent cartridge is flush with the breach face and not standing proud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejb Posted December 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 its pritty close to flush and just jamed in the barrel. unless you have pliers you cant get it out. and when you do get it out you can see the brass marked. whereas on the bottom cartridge there is no marks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Have you changed cartridges recently? (sishyplops post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejb Posted December 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 thats what i first thought as i did. but yesterday i took out a box of what i always used to shoot with and had same problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sishyplops Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 It is quite common on winchesters and shadows, there are still some parts available new, but definitely take it to a gunsmith (not just a gun shop) if they don't have a genuine part they will probably modify a browning part to fit, it's no big deal to do it, my shadow cost about £65 from memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 It is quite common on winchesters and shadows, there are still some parts available new, but definitely take it to a gunsmith (not just a gun shop) if they don't have a genuine part they will probably modify a browning part to fit, it's no big deal to do it, my shadow cost about £65 from memory But that does not explain why the cartridges rims are expanding to the point of jamming in the barrel. I have seen cartridge cases getting jammed like this when you get excessive pressure at the breach causing the metal rim to expand, i.e. 2 3/4" cartridge in a 2 1/2 chambered gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Tried different carts? Is the result the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejb Posted December 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Have tried 3 different types of cartridges. 2 of which i have been using for last few years with no problem. only other thing i have found online is that it could be a build up of **** and rust in the barrel and to use some wire wool and polish? Any thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Its natures way of telling you its time to buy another gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) I've owned many many Winchesters over the past 29 odd years and can't say I've ever experienced this. Is it just an ejector worn to the point where the closing of the breech is pushing the rim slightly past the ejector causing it to jam? If it's 'pretty close to flush' how are getting hold of it with pliers? Without actually seeing what is happening I'd think it difficult to diagnose; RFD is best bet I would think. Parts are easily converted from Miroku spares so I'm told. Edited December 19, 2016 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Have tried 3 different types of cartridges. 2 of which i have been using for last few years with no problem. only other thing i have found online is that it could be a build up of **** and rust in the barrel and to use some wire wool and polish? Any thoughts on this? Rust in the barrels! When was the last time you put a brush through them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejb Posted December 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 well i inherited off my uncle and it was in bad condition! i have slowly been finding bits that he never cleaned, the main action etc but until this happened a had never heard of rust in the barrels. they look clean to me but i read somewhere that it can be hard to tell if there is crud built up! i have just been out to get some steel wool as wire brush in my cleaning kit doesnt seem to do alot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Are they not chromed bores ? Could be a buildup of crud in the chambers that need to be polished out with the right tools . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Try a snap cap, preferably a plastic type and open the barrels VERY slowly, listening and watching as you do it. Obviously avoid hitting yourself in the eye, with the snap cap and LEAVE them in the gun cupboard when not in use, NEVER take them out of the house, PLEASE ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Get a chamber brush and give it a good clean. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Is it just the ejector spring weakened and whilst it has enough power to release the new cartridge the fired cartridge has expanded just enough to increase the pressure required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 Before the cartridges are kicked out, the ejectors should lift the cartridge part way from the breach - sounds like the fault lies with this operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) I have the Winchester 400 o/u .and I have had a cartridge stuck It was awkward to get out .luckly it's only done it once. I use gamebore lyevale cartridges Edited December 23, 2016 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboster Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted December 25, 2016 Report Share Posted December 25, 2016 A friend was experiencing this on his Miroku, tried different cartridges but no joy. I polished the chambers out on the lathe, they were bad and still the same. I then changed the ejectors round, bottom to top( they do fit) and it solved his problem, at least for the time being It's ussually the barrel that's used the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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