Guest cookoff013 Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Gamebore "lead"ing the way again... http://gamebore.com/uk/cartridges/clay/steel-clay-loads wow, they have really invested in steel shells...... just cartridges doesnt list some of them. they must be new / newer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 The data shows them to quite slow especially at 50m where they are about half the speed of lead put that with a plastic wad and the desire to use diminishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 yes, but the question un asked is "is that where we are going?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt1980 Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) If steel shot is where it's going, what will happen to all the small clay grounds that say fibre only? Seen you can get fibre cup wads, are they any good? Edited February 23, 2017 by walt1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I would suspect steel will be the future just need some good high speed stuff like the yanks have. I've not had a problem using steel. May present a problem to people with older English guns mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I don't see how they are half as slow as lead at 50M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Those steel have been about for a while, I shot pheasants with the black gold during the season just finished, some impressive strikes in the breast http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/345232-factory-1oz-steel/?hl=%2B1oz+%2Bsteel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I don't see how they are half as slow as lead at 50M. Less than 20 ft/sec in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Less than 20 ft/sec in it. The graph on the link shows steel doing 100m/s at 50m. Look at the other graphs for similar lead loads and you'll see they're stating about 150m/s at the same range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 The graph on the link shows steel doing 100m/s at 50m. Look at the other graphs for similar lead loads and you'll see they're stating about 150m/s at the same range. Yep, safe to say that someone has made a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 http://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/clay/12g-black-gold-competition http://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/clay/12g-black-gold-steel huge difference in performance especially at range sure they will be fine for skeet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 http://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/clay/12g-black-gold-competition http://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/clay/12g-black-gold-steel huge difference in performance especially at range sure they will be fine for skeet! Guys, Because it's a habit I have I'm happy to say I've made a mistake. It's a bit of a fiddle getting the V0 figure from the V1. I've checked and fiddled again and this time come up with about 30 difference - neither here nor there. I honestly don't think that on this occasion the mistake is mine. Surely, the discrepancy is such that common sense says that something isn't right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 http://www.fourten.org.uk/steel4.pdf Pages 6 and 7 seem to echo the findings of Gamebore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 http://www.fourten.org.uk/steel4.pdf Pages 6 and 7 seem to echo the findings of Gamebore. I think I'm right in saying that the two pellets - lead and steel - in those table have the same diameter. I have compared the Gamebore lead 7&1/2 - at 2.3mm with the Gamebore steel 7&1/2 which is 2.5mm (UK lead 6&1/2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I commented in another thread that when the prices increase we may see cheaper steel loads again like in the past, looks though that is now the case again. Wonder if grounds will allow them due to worry over ricochets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 now steel and skeet are a great combo. i`ve used a few 1000 of the gamebore super steels when they first came out. if i recolect, they were £80/k.. back then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 If steel shot is where it's going, what will happen to all the small clay grounds that say fibre only? Seen you can get fibre cup wads, are they any good? I have used the 3" ones with fibre cups and they worked fine I have spoken to Gamebore about a 32grm No 4 shot in 2 3/4 " but they claim they can not get that amount of shot into it. I think that all plastic wads in lead as well should be replaced with these fibre cups then we would all stop spraying plastic all over the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I have used the 3" ones with fibre cups and they worked fine I have spoken to Gamebore about a 32grm No 4 shot in 2 3/4 " but they claim they can not get that amount of shot into it. I think that all plastic wads in lead as well should be replaced with these fibre cups then we would all stop spraying plastic all over the country. for manufacturers to then increase prices yet again to the tune of £1000 per k of shells? thats £135 / k extra (ok, not trade price but its still a silly increase) the extra components used, 3" hulls would double the cost of hulls. 4mm powder card and a xmm wad would be as normal. now thats 3 components loaded, not including shot and or powder. thats non viable. that would have to be loaded slow. now that would tie up a reloading machine for an eon to reload any decent quantities. time=money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I commented in another thread that when the prices increase we may see cheaper steel loads again like in the past, looks though that is now the case again. Wonder if grounds will allow them due to worry over ricochets. I see one maker is recommending their steel range for grounds that have banned lead. In view of the links above, anyone who pays any attention to the makers' graphs is more likely to use Hull's standard velocity offerings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I once tipped a box of steel carts into the same pocket as my usual clay carts and didn't look to see what I loaded in my semi auto to see if I could tell by recoil breaks or noise the difference and no I couldn't tell, I even loaded some into the gun gave my son it and he couldn't tell either. Some of the clays were 45 yards and breaks were the same closer stuff seemed harder hit probably due to the increased pellets in the 28g steel load. Think if we did get a ban on lead I'd use a semi auto for all my shooting. Let's hope it never happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I once tipped a box of steel carts into the same pocket as my usual clay carts and didn't look to see what I loaded in my semi auto to see if I could tell by recoil breaks or noise the difference and no I couldn't tell, I even loaded some into the gun gave my son it and he couldn't tell either. Some of the clays were 45 yards and breaks were the same closer stuff seemed harder hit probably due to the increased pellets in the 28g steel load. Think if we did get a ban on lead I'd use a semi auto for all my shooting. Let's hope it never happens. Yep me too Figgy. I would go straight and buy one of those beretta high rib semi autos and annoy everyone haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I've often thought the same. My home loads would be more than capable on most of the game I shoot, but not really suited to a game gun, so an auto would be the way forwards. It would put an end to the odd high bird day I have a year though. "Let's hope it never happens" is worth repeating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 have to say their mammoth shells 3" and 3 1/2" are great! But agree it's just another hint that things are heading away from lead. Have to say it's sensible form gamebore's point of view. Wouldn't want the law to change form what it currently is though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 have to say their mammoth shells 3" and 3 1/2" are great! But agree it's just another hint that things are heading away from lead. Have to say it's sensible form gamebore's point of view. Wouldn't want the law to change form what it currently is though! Really don't think that this has anything to do with a lead ban or the law. It's just a case of the makers having a good handle on their customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 The graph on the link shows steel doing 100m/s at 50m. Look at the other graphs for similar lead loads and you'll see they're stating about 150m/s at the same range. Because my step-son has just started shooting and I was having a look to see what's what for him as I don't do clays, realising this couldn't be right, I contacted them and asked if there'd been a mistake. No reply. I've now just spotted that said graphs have been amended. I've just contacted them again, but not quite so polite as the first time. Total lack of courtesy, but fortunately there's a legion of other makers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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