BBC's Brexit coverage pessimistic and skewed, say MPs

[Danger-Mouse]

The BBC has got the balance just right over Brexit. Some programs against it and others like the Daily Politics show pro. Nobody can accuse Andrew O'Neal of being a pro remainer. He is about as pro Brexit as you can get. The BBC has always been very right wing , but at least about Brexit they have got the balance right. The big problem is that many pro Brexit viewers have closed their minds to common sense and diccussion.

 

I like Andrew Neil, he's a very good political interviewer and doesn't seem to give anyone an easy ride.

[oowee]

The bbc is totally instrumental to the left wing movement in this country, and always has been, anyone remember the director general at the time that said that the bbc was 'hideously white', he got away with it because there was no opposition to him, look at the salaries they get paid for spreading the poison.

 

 

Anywhere is left of right.

[NickS]

What publication or broadcaster is pro-Brexit? There is not a lot of news to report on coming from our government but quite a bit coming from other countries, largely not very favourable. We could expect news outlets to ignore it all I guess, just as we could just overlook what is coming out of the White House. When the economy or the pound is reported as rising or falling it is a statement of fact. Similarly if a company states that it is investing more in the U.K. or shifting jobs or production to somewhere that is staying in the EU. It isn't the BBC but those wearing the rose-tinted "life will be wonderful outside the single market" without accepting that it is going to be a rough ride at times who need to look for bias.

[wandringstar]

I barely watch it anymore, hopefully it will get left behind as trends change. I cant watch a nature documentary anymore, or really anything, without the main agenda of the green/global warming hoax being pushed at you, the actual programme is secondary to the agenda..............schools are full of it aswell.

[four-wheel-drive]

I think what the BBC and other media companies do is to not tell there presenters what they can or cannot say but if you do not agree with us you will not get a job with us that is why we see almost all of there presenters talking from the same sheet.

[Rewulf]

No irony intended.

UK split.

Hammond u turn.

No single market.

Borris Johnson unable to toe the party line.

Davis no economic impact assesment

JMC mmembers not told about triggering article 50.

EU budget settlement before FTA talks?

Irony on 'It's very positive' ironyoff.

 

Ill leave the irony at the door,and tell it how I see it.

 

The UK is,was, and will be split whatever happens,if it wasnt for Brexit,do you think Sturgeon would have shut it about indyref2 ,so why blame brexit for this ?

 

What Hammonds NIC Uturn has got to do with Brexit Ive no idea.

 

Single market? Thats the EUs condition, bully boy tactics as per.

 

Boris unable to toe the party line,when has he ever? Again, blame Brexit though

 

Economic impact statement ? I can give you one myself if we stay!

 

JMC members not told? So what ?

 

EU budget settlement before talks? The answer appears to be no, you cant have 60 billion euros ,any more questions?

 

See ,I dont need irony,you Sir ,need a better argument.

It's not just the BBC news coverage it's their 'comedy' and even their unrelated shows on radio 4. I have NEVER heard anyone express an opinion or make a joke that was pro Brexit or Donald Trump on the BBC.

 

+1

Edited March 22, 2017 by Rewulf

[oowee]

 

Ill leave the irony at the door,and tell it how I see it.

 

The UK is,was, and will be split whatever happens,if it wasnt for Brexit,do you think Sturgeon would have shut it about indyref2 ,so why blame brexit for this ? A fragmented UK is a fragmented negotiator.

 

What Hammonds NIC Uturn has got to do with Brexit Ive no idea. Because he U turn was forced as the party is split lacking clarity of purpose.

 

Single market? Thats the EUs condition, bully boy tactics as per. Its all good then.

 

Boris unable to toe the party line,when has he ever? Again, blame Brexit though Difficult to play a tough hand when differences are public.

 

Economic impact statement ? I can give you one myself if we stay! We voted to leave.

 

JMC members not told? So what ? What happens when you dont work as a team?

 

EU budget settlement before talks? The answer appears to be no, you cant have 60 billion euros ,any more questions? Further delay.

 

See ,I dont need irony,you Sir ,need a better argument. Is it any wonder there is very little good news?

 

+1

[Vince Green]

The BBC has always had accusations of bias. Its not just political left wing bias, its more a culture of 'student union' like views on the world in general.

[oowee]

The BBC has always had accusations of bias. Its not just political left wing bias, its more a culture of 'student union' like views on the world in general.

Educated you mean?

[panoma1]

When lately has anyone seen/heard the BBC promote real wildlife conservation?.........They constantly promote a sanitised Walt Disney, anthropomorphic type of protectionism, dressed up as conservation........I sincerely hope when BBC regulation is taken over by OFCOM the complaints flood in and they are taken to task and punished for the bias they have against real, wildlife conservation!....we can but hope!

[grrclark]

The BBC has always had accusations of bias. Its not just political left wing bias, its more a culture of 'student union' like views on the world in general.

 

Educated you mean?

 

Now that is taking the discussion in an interesting direction.

 

There is a very real argument just now, actually more a very worrying trend, where universities are implementing measures that heavily impact upon free speech and in many ways are adopting and implementing policies that do not favour critical thinking.

 

Since the 70's there is a clearly visible trend within our universities where they have moved much more toward the left in the political spectrum and now exert a worrying bias in both encouraging and developing an increasing left wing agenda within the student body and much more worryingly there is also objective evidence that those that do not subscribe to a left leaning agenda are being marginalised.

 

This has now reached the point where our parliament are considering legislation to enshrine the right to free speech in our uni's and associated student union facilities.

 

It does seem somewhat incongruous that the institutions, & student unions, that purport to be the bastions of sound reason and education are actually behaving in a way that is more akin to an oppressive regime.

 

The huge irony is that the student union describes itself in terms of progressive liberalisation yet their policies are remarkably illiberal.

 

The term "educated" seems sadly out of place in respect to some of the exhibited behaviours.

[Rewulf]

 

 

Since the 70's there is a clearly visible trend within our universities where they have moved much more toward the left in the political spectrum and now exert a worrying bias in both encouraging and developing an increasing left wing agenda within the student body and much more worryingly there is also objective evidence that those that do not subscribe to a left leaning agenda are being marginalised.

 

 

Good points Grr, but I think the left wing bias extends across the board with education.

My daughter was told at secondary school (before the referendum vote) that Brexit would be a disaster for their education and future prospects.

Not by just one tutor ,but by the majority, I thought when it came to doing their job, ie: teaching, they should keep their personal thoughts to themselves, and teach the curriculum?

And for people who insist on carping on about how 'only the uneducated would want Brexit' it really is getting old now.

Oowee ,you talk about team playing, you could do with practising what you preach.

[oowee]

 

Good points Grr, but I think the left wing bias extends across the board with education.

My daughter was told at secondary school (before the referendum vote) that Brexit would be a disaster for their education and future prospects.

Not by just one tutor ,but by the majority, I thought when it came to doing their job, ie: teaching, they should keep their personal thoughts to themselves, and teach the curriculum?

And for people who insist on carping on about how 'only the uneducated would want Brexit' it really is getting old now.

Oowee ,you talk about team playing, you could do with practising what you preach.

Agreed not what they should be about at all.

The point I wanted to make is that with the news there is nothing concrete to base anything positive on. The governments lack of focus on the issues and therefore clarity of purpose which in turn exacerbates the negative reflection of what is happening. News is predominantly about things that grab attention. No doubt when the positives come out of the brexit negotiations they will be well covered (or at least) they should be.

[Penelope]

Well said.

 

Safe spaces and cultural appropriation, two amongst many.

 

 

 

Now that is taking the discussion in an interesting direction.

 

There is a very real argument just now, actually more a very worrying trend, where universities are implementing measures that heavily impact upon free speech and in many ways are adopting and implementing policies that do not favour critical thinking.

 

Since the 70's there is a clearly visible trend within our universities where they have moved much more toward the left in the political spectrum and now exert a worrying bias in both encouraging and developing an increasing left wing agenda within the student body and much more worryingly there is also objective evidence that those that do not subscribe to a left leaning agenda are being marginalised.

 

This has now reached the point where our parliament are considering legislation to enshrine the right to free speech in our uni's and associated student union facilities.

 

It does seem somewhat incongruous that the institutions, & student unions, that purport to be the bastions of sound reason and education are actually behaving in a way that is more akin to an oppressive regime.

 

The huge irony is that the student union describes itself in terms of progressive liberalisation yet their policies are remarkably illiberal.

 

The term "educated" seems sadly out of place in respect to some of the exhibited behaviours.

[Rewulf]

Agreed not what they should be about at all.

The point I wanted to make is that with the news there is nothing concrete to base anything positive on. The governments lack of focus on the issues and therefore clarity of purpose which in turn exacerbates the negative reflection of what is happening. News is predominantly about things that grab attention. No doubt when the positives come out of the brexit negotiations they will be well covered (or at least) they should be.

 

Appreciated, but the thread is about the BBCs negative bias towards it.

If there is nothing concrete to base anything positive on, then why should there be evidence to support anything negative ?

Just about everything that Remain said would happen, hasnt happened, surely thats a good thing ?

Then you have various elements trying to disrupt and derail the Brexit process, Gina Miller, the SNP to name a few.

They are trying to gain political points for themselves, at the expense of our national interests.

Or do you seriously still believe Ms Miller is at it because she likes to see due judicial process?

The Beeb IS biased, it shouldnt be, but it is, if it were a commercial channel,then thatwould be up to them.

But to take licence payers money, and use it for political ends, when your mandate is to provide entertainment and information that is unbiased and balanced, is bordering on the criminal.

[Scully]

 

 

Now that is taking the discussion in an interesting direction.

 

There is a very real argument just now, actually more a very worrying trend, where universities are implementing measures that heavily impact upon free speech and in many ways are adopting and implementing policies that do not favour critical thinking.

 

Since the 70's there is a clearly visible trend within our universities where they have moved much more toward the left in the political spectrum and now exert a worrying bias in both encouraging and developing an increasing left wing agenda within the student body and much more worryingly there is also objective evidence that those that do not subscribe to a left leaning agenda are being marginalised.

 

This has now reached the point where our parliament are considering legislation to enshrine the right to free speech in our uni's and associated student union facilities.

 

It does seem somewhat incongruous that the institutions, & student unions, that purport to be the bastions of sound reason and education are actually behaving in a way that is more akin to an oppressive regime.

 

The huge irony is that the student union describes itself in terms of progressive liberalisation yet their policies are remarkably illiberal.

 

The term "educated" seems sadly out of place in respect to some of the exhibited behaviours.

 

Good post, and points well worth making. I read something just recently regarding the marginalisation of those students who have differing points of view to those it is claimed are the 'accepted' train of thought.

[grrclark]

 

Good post, and points well worth making. I read something just recently regarding the marginalisation of those students who have differing points of view to those it is claimed are the 'accepted' train of thought.

 

That is what alarms me, this arbitrary decision by those who abuse their power of public reach or institutional influence to decide what is acceptable on behalf of all of us.

 

Going off at a tangent now I talked about the same in the thread about Eric Bristow making hiss ill considered comments a few months ago.

[Vince Green]

Educated you mean?

No nieve and not living in the real world

[Vince Green]

Or do you seriously still believe Ms Miller is at it because she likes to see due judicial process?

The lovely Mrs Miller is clearly a self publicist and she is not doing a bad job of making herself a household name. Quite where she thinks she is heading with all this I'm not sure but her aim is clearly to get her feet under some desk or other.

[Wb123]

To be honest I think the BBC is about balanced enough.

 

Any time I read an article about a subject I know well it fails to capture the nuances and the writing is often misleading. But these things are written by journalists who are out to get a story that will interest and inform people in a short article.

 

If you want well balanced factual analysis read a peer reviewed journal, but todays news won't be in print until six months time. If you want fast reporting on a broad spectrum of things in one place accept it will often miss the salient issues and be prone to a one sided analysis.

 

As a voter who was pretty 50:50 for the referendum I always felt the BBC was well balanced on the Brexit issue. Those I know on both sides who were staunchly in favour of one vote felt the BBC was playing for the other side. To my mind that is enough to confirm balance enough.

 

 

 

On here the echo chamber is very much for Brexit, so everything looking out is comparatively against it.

[Vince Green]

 

 

Now that is taking the discussion in an interesting direction.

 

There is a very real argument just now, actually more a very worrying trend, where universities are implementing measures that heavily impact upon free speech and in many ways are adopting and implementing policies that do not favour critical thinking.

 

Since the 70's there is a clearly visible trend within our universities where they have moved much more toward the left in the political spectrum and now exert a worrying bias in both encouraging and developing an increasing left wing agenda within the student body and much more worryingly there is also objective evidence that those that do not subscribe to a left leaning agenda are being marginalised.

 

This has now reached the point where our parliament are considering legislation to enshrine the right to free speech in our uni's and associated student union facilities.

 

It does seem somewhat incongruous that the institutions, & student unions, that purport to be the bastions of sound reason and education are actually behaving in a way that is more akin to an oppressive regime.

 

The huge irony is that the student union describes itself in terms of progressive liberalisation yet their policies are remarkably illiberal.

 

The term "educated" seems sadly out of place in respect to some of the exhibited behaviours.

 

 

When I was a student 40 odd years ago the Student Union was infested with hard line Workers Revolutionary Party and CND members who made no secret of the fact that their organisations were Russian funded fronts for subversion and anarchy.

 

I get the impression that Jeremy Corbyn and his cronies look back on those days with more than a little affection

 

Today the air headed dreamers and idealists of the Sudent Union may be museli eaters but they have not got the stomach for a revolution and conflict on the streets.

 

Although I think Momentum is trying to steer the discussion back to those 'Socialist Principles'

Edited March 22, 2017 by Vince Green