LondonLuke Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Surely if a burglar is to go armed with a gun then more than likely it will be a shotgun? Easiest to get hold of and highest quantity in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 yes, there is that possibility, but how many marketing directors, working with schools, who are homosexual, are involved in a gangster/criminal lifestyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 yes, there is that possibility, but how many marketing directors, working with schools, who are homosexual, are involved in a gangster/criminal lifestyle. You dont have to be a gangster/criminal to have a "hit" put on you. i know of at least two examples, that happened close to where i was living, one hit was placed by an ex of the victim, the other by a disgruntled bussiness partner, neither were involved in crime in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 anything is possible, its often someone who knows you, so they say, we just don't know, maybe in the coming days we will know, sometimes it never gets solved. Someone could have tipped off the burglars that they had expensive gear, maybe a dodgy retailer who had sold expensive items to him, pure speculation as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Surely if a burglar is to go armed with a gun then more than likely it will be a shotgun? Easiest to get hold of and highest quantity in UK i would disagree, IMO there are more "illegal" hand guns in the criminal fraternity than shotguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 i would disagree, IMO there are more "illegal" hand guns in the criminal fraternity than shotguns. I read a report once that stated there were more illegal handguns in Britain than there were legally held guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 i would disagree, IMO there are more "illegal" hand guns in the criminal fraternity than shotguns. Do you mean legally and illegally held shotguns? I would have thought the average person would have more chance of getting hold of a shotgun (legally or illegally) than they would a handgun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Do you mean legally and illegally held shotguns? I would have thought the average person would have more chance of getting hold of a shotgun (legally or illegally) than they would a handgun? Lots of "deactivated" handguns were bought up and re-activated by criminals. Think they just drill the barrels out? Also if you think just how massive and well connected organised crime is it's not that hard surely? If they can smuggle hundreds of kilos of drugs into the country a couple guns here and there wouldn't be that hard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 yes, there is that possibility, but how many marketing directors, working with schools, who are homosexual, are involved in a gangster/criminal lifestyle. There can be many reasons, It doesn't have to be a gangland murder but for what ever reason it was targeted. That was not a random break in, maybe he had an extremely valuable coin collection or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) I read a report once that stated there were more illegal handguns in Britain than there were legally held guns. That was said at the time of the handgun ban, not that it did much good did it ? Edited May 1, 2017 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Do you mean legally and illegally held shotguns? I would have thought the average person would have more chance of getting hold of a shotgun (legally or illegally) than they would a handgun? Sorry, i meant more "illegal handguns" than "illegal shotguns" IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Lots of "deactivated" handguns were bought up and re-activated by criminals. Think they just drill the barrels out? Also if you think just how massive and well connected organised crime is it's not that hard surely? If they can smuggle hundreds of kilos of drugs into the country a couple guns here and there wouldn't be that hard! Thats why the old air pistol Brococks that had individual bullet type compressed cylinder "thingy's" were banned, they were too easy to convert to live fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 maybe a nice high end car on the drive was enough for him to be targeted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Do you mean legally and illegally held shotguns? I would have thought the average person would have more chance of getting hold of a shotgun (legally or illegally) than they would a handgun? I dont think Shotguns would be as desirable to criminals as handguns nowadays. In the old days of armed bank robberies, the gun was there mainly as a deterent so a large sawn off would have been ideal. Nowadays i think criminals use it to shoot people and for protection, in which case, IMO a small handgun which holds 6-15 shots, that can be concealed in a glove box/pocket would be more desireable to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3450524/dorset-businessman-shot-burglary-guy-hedger/&ved=0ahUKEwiQkqP7s8_TAhWJIcAKHV4AARAQqUMIJDAC&usg=AFQjCNHVxR5a5pRh1jEIHhCZTcXU0dgHhg&sig2=jFg4zAFViQewUDzbw-8X6A This maybe a little help. If anyone has problems reading they do it in a picture version too. Edited May 1, 2017 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3450524/dorset-businessman-shot-burglary-guy-hedger/&ved=0ahUKEwiQkqP7s8_TAhWJIcAKHV4AARAQqUMIJDAC&usg=AFQjCNHVxR5a5pRh1jEIHhCZTcXU0dgHhg&sig2=jFg4zAFViQewUDzbw-8X6A This maybe a little help. If anyone has problems reading they do it in a picture version too. My sister car was specifically targeted recently too. Thieves followed them until they stopped them had specialist tools to break in quickly and empty the contents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 That was said at the time of the handgun ban, not that it did much good did it ? It was said fairly recently within the last few years, it reported that the number of illegal handguns in Britain was more than the number of legally held shotguns/firearms on people's certificates. But in the figures it also classed guns such as mac 10 as being a handgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkierm Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 just seen on the news that the weapon used was a shotgun. so subject to its recovery I assume (and seriously hope) that it was an illegally held shotgun in the very first instance... My concern is similar to that of wandering star...we now have a situation in this country where criminals have upped their MO's, and armed themselves with a firearm in order to commit what in effect and thus far appears to be nothing more than a simple house burglary, albeit targeted as the victim was clearly very wealthy. we are on the slipperiest of slopes...how long before you or I as simple working class folk without such wealth face similar attacks. While I still wait with interest the true outcome of the investigation over mine and everyone else's speculations...I remain extremely concerned about this level of crime filtering into our country and the possible effect it will have on our sport again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 just seen on the news that the weapon used was a shotgun. so subject to its recovery I assume (and seriously hope) that it was an illegally held shotgun in the very first instance... My concern is similar to that of wandering star...we now have a situation in this country where criminals have upped their MO's, and armed themselves with a firearm in order to commit what in effect and thus far appears to be nothing more than a simple house burglary, albeit targeted as the victim was clearly very wealthy. we are on the slipperiest of slopes...how long before you or I as simple working class folk without such wealth face similar attacks. While I still wait with interest the true outcome of the investigation over mine and everyone else's speculations...I remain extremely concerned about this level of crime filtering into our country and the possible effect it will have on our sport again, Don't worry Labour have announced they will increase the police numbers by 10k if they win the election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Don't worry Labour have announced they will increase the police numbers by 10k if they win the election And according to diane abbott it's only going to cost £30 per officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted May 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 it wouldn't matter if there were another 100k police. its sticking plaster policies, you fight fire with fire, not with straw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 I dont think Shotguns would be as desirable to criminals as handguns nowadays. In the old days of armed bank robberies, the gun was there mainly as a deterent so a large sawn off would have been ideal. Nowadays i think criminals use it to shoot people and for protection, in which case, IMO a small handgun which holds 6-15 shots, that can be concealed in a glove box/pocket would be more desireable to them. I appreciate this but this did all start following the confirmation that a shotgun was used in this instance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Out of interest as it was a shot gun used if they do not have the cartridge which they may have I am just thinking a if you shot someone with a bullet you could match the marks on it with the rifling on the barrel but a shot gun with a smooth barrel how would that work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) Firing pin strike on cart. would match in that instance Assuming they have cart Edited May 3, 2017 by Gonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Apparently 3 arrested 2 men and a woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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