Are you an Osterich?

[jonny705]

The thing that I cannot get my head around in this Liberal infested media/World , is why when you, in this country are accused of being a Paedophile, such as Cliff Richard/ Craig Charles ,Kevin Webster etc, the Police will arrest you , it's all over the Media etc that day if you are famous, and your Career and reputation is ruined overnight.
Its irrelevant if you are proved not guilty as 'No smoke without fire' means you are screwed.

You are totally searched, Your home , computer , phone records etc, and if anything is found or any links you have to other Nonce's you are bang to rights and put on the sex offenders register , and imprisoned whatever.

Now please don't think I am condoning Pedo's , I would hang them all day long for free and not lose sleep, but nobody in the Liberal media /left wing people decry it's not fair , Innocent until proven guilty , breech of human rights , intrusive monitoring against their rights etc.

If you have any connection at all to Child abuse, you are basically screwed and marked for life, which is IMO dead right , as by their own admission and their shrinks , Paedophiles cannot repress there 'Urge' to be attracted to children, so will always be a risk to society.

 

Why is it then, that these potential Terrorists , that most of the time are known to the Security agencies etc, not given the same type of treatment?

Just like the people who reckon they are 'researching child material' or accidently come across it and 'inadvertently' downloaded it are total liars , and not believed in any way, and rigorously investigated, why is the same enthusiasm not awarded to these potential 'known threat' people that search for links to Isis , bomb making DIY , etc on the net?

Yet you can have links to Terrorist groups, via the net social media etc , visit known Flagged terrorist training countries for a 'Nice Holiday Honest Guv' for months and be allowed back into UK , and carry on with it.
On the Interpol terrorist register , and trying to re-enter the UK? just bin your passport mate, no worries.

It is a core belief system , that will not be removed by any Psychiatric treatment, as its in their very soul.

 

If you knew your potential employee was on the sex offenders register ,are you likely to employ them ?
If there was a similar 'potential links to terrorist register' and your potential employee was on it, are you likely to employ them?

For the fear off up-setting people and to be seen racist (Rotherham springs to mind ) the Media/police /General society etc, seem to just not want to deal with common sense.

 

If I walk into a bank /airport /Service station wearing a balaclava, would I not be deemed potentially suspicious?

If I was asked to remove said Balaclava ,would it be a travesty of my human rights and degrading?

Or would I have to simply accept that I could be anyone under there , and they basically cannot see me, so obviously will be subjected to a more intense search , would be an unavoidable result of my need to stay covered, due to MY choice of headgear wearing beliefs?

 

Yet to state something so obvious , is inciting Islamophobia.

 

Most of the times the comments allowed online on Newspaper articles , are not allowed if it is likely to be bad PR , open debate must be allowed, yet it's not.

 

When the PIRA was at its height of its terror campaign in the UK, my Dad, who was Irish, and had a unmistakeable accent, used to get some harassment at the time, he went Back to Ireland a few times to visit relatives, and would always be stopped at Passport control and grilled more than anyone else , even though having a British Passport.
I asked him if back in the day did it bug him?

'Yes of course it did ,it seemed that if there was a bombing ,and the Media coverage, because of my accent, A FEW people automatically assume you are a Terrorist and potentially suspicious' was basically his answer.

'So why did you put up with it then?' was my next question.

'Well the prospects here are better than back home , and if it bugged me that much I WOULD SIMPLY GO BACK TO MY BIRTHPLACE' was his answer.

 

So basically then he just got on with it, no moaning , no outcry, just as often, when you live/work abroad , the indigenous people tend to stick together, get more work, and the law often favours them, so they look after their own first.

 

 

This political correctness of today is absolutely insane, it overrules any common sense approach and until it changes things will just get easier for would be terrorists IMO.
ANY connection to terrorist type activity or research should be awarded with being put on a database for life, to screw up any decent job prospects, and label you as a possible future threat.
If your family have claimed Asylum here, and you are directly involved in a terrorist plot, ALL of them should be instantly deported.

 

And for the people to say it will just drive it underground more, well is it not there already?

 

Just like the PIRA was infiltrated by undercover people, the same needs to start happening with these Terrorists cells ,the knowledge has to come from the inside- it has now got to be viewed that we ARE at war with these people.

 

I have just read 'The Iraq War' by John Keegan, and at the start of it , he tries to condense the history leading up to Saddams rule ,it's just a constant cycle of killings /wars/ military coup's regarding the religious beliefs of people at the time , these type of Countries, will never be at peace with one another, it revolves around Pure Fear/Dictatorship, it's all they know, there is no compromise.

 

There will be no end to this outcome, as these people/countries are living in the dark ages and don't want to come out of that era, you simply cannot reason with them.(unless the technology/science/medicine suits them but you cannot mention facts like that).

 

This is not meant to be mad rant , and as my last post on this forum was on Remberance Day, and what with the anniversary of the D-Day landings I almost feel ashamed to be posting it.

 

But every time I think of Emdadur Choudhury burning Poppies on Armistice Day ,and getting fined all of £50, as the Liberals are always telling this country -'Hate speech is not Free speech'.
'Everyone should have a voice' (unless it's something we don't agree with) It really winds me up.

 

This ultimately, is simply mine, regardless of what anyone thinks, and I am exercising it .

 

But , something's got to change hasn't it?

 

 

 

 

[Gordon R]

That is one large rant. The difference that immediately springs to mind is one section has been arrested, whilst the other has not.

[Bluebarrels]

Kevin Webster is his screen name fantastic rant by the way,your either bored or ****** lol,BB

[Lloyd90]

A sex OFFENDER is someone who has already committed an offence.

 

They are arrested and charged with the offence they committed and sentenced for it.

 

An extremist (aka potential terrorist) has yet to commit their offence hence they haven't been arrested.

You can't charge someone for thinking about committing a crime. There's plenty of people who think about committing crimes all the time but don't.

 

The extreme problem with suicide terrorism is that they don't mean to ever act again, so the one time is the problem!

[motty]

Good points, as far as I am concerned.

Lloyd90, I'm fairly sure some celebs were arrested under suspicion of sex offences.

[Vince Green]

The trouble in part is that the real terrorists are masked by a bigger number of Walter Mittys who are basically showing off to their perceived peers but still have to be watched

[243ack]

"An extremist (aka potential terrorist) has yet to commit their offence hence they haven't been arrested.
You can't charge someone for thinking about committing a crime. There's plenty of people who think about committing crimes all the time but don't. "

 

 

 

And yet you CAN be arrested for having pictures on your computer - 'as it may lead to other offences'

[panoma1]

A sex OFFENDER is someone who has already committed an offence.

They are arrested and charged with the offence they committed and sentenced for it.

An extremist (aka potential terrorist) has yet to commit their offence hence they haven't been arrested.

You can't charge someone for thinking about committing a crime. There's plenty of people who think about committing crimes all the time but don't.

The extreme problem with suicide terrorism is that they don't mean to ever act again, so the one time is the problem!

What? Someone arrested is thought to have committed a crime, they are only offenders when found guilty.....those celebs mentioned were suspects not offenders....is that not what those 'suspected' of terrorism offences are?

 

I see no reason why those suspected to be involved in terrorism offences such as 'preparing for an act of terrorism' should not be treated in the same way as the celebrity suspects mentioned!

[Piebob]

And yet you CAN be arrested for having pictures on your computer - 'as it may lead to other offences'

 

No, because the offence is actually having those pictures. The offence has been committed.

[Scully]

Matthew Kelly?

You make some reasoned points, but The fact is many people are arrested under 'suspicion', but as they're not celebrities they don't feature in the mainstream media so we don't get to hear about it.

Once it is deemed they haven't broken any laws then they are released without charge, and rightly so.

No matter what you or we know, without proof of wrong doing or until they act in some way to break an existing law, then there's not a lot else can be done.

[krugerandsmith]

The thing that I cannot get my head around in this Liberal infested media/World , is why when you, in this country are accused of being a Paedophile, such as Cliff Richard/ Craig Charles ,Kevin Webster etc, the Police will arrest you , it's all over the Media etc that day if you are famous, and your Career and reputation is ruined overnight.

Its irrelevant if you are proved not guilty as 'No smoke without fire' means you are screwed.

You are totally searched, Your home , computer , phone records etc, and if anything is found or any links you have to other Nonce's you are bang to rights and put on the sex offenders register , and imprisoned whatever.

Now please don't think I am condoning Pedo's , I would hang them all day long for free and not lose sleep, but nobody in the Liberal media /left wing people decry it's not fair , Innocent until proven guilty , breech of human rights , intrusive monitoring against their rights etc.

If you have any connection at all to Child abuse, you are basically screwed and marked for life, which is IMO dead right , as by their own admission and their shrinks , Paedophiles cannot repress there 'Urge' to be attracted to children, so will always be a risk to society.

 

Why is it then, that these potential Terrorists , that most of the time are known to the Security agencies etc, not given the same type of treatment?

Just like the people who reckon they are 'researching child material' or accidently come across it and 'inadvertently' downloaded it are total liars , and not believed in any way, and rigorously investigated, why is the same enthusiasm not awarded to these potential 'known threat' people that search for links to Isis , bomb making DIY , etc on the net?

Yet you can have links to Terrorist groups, via the net social media etc , visit known Flagged terrorist training countries for a 'Nice Holiday Honest Guv' for months and be allowed back into UK , and carry on with it.

On the Interpol terrorist register , and trying to re-enter the UK? just bin your passport mate, no worries.

It is a core belief system , that will not be removed by any Psychiatric treatment, as its in their very soul.

 

If you knew your potential employee was on the sex offenders register ,are you likely to employ them ?

If there was a similar 'potential links to terrorist register' and your potential employee was on it, are you likely to employ them?

For the fear off up-setting people and to be seen racist (Rotherham springs to mind ) the Media/police /General society etc, seem to just not want to deal with common sense.

 

If I walk into a bank /airport /Service station wearing a balaclava, would I not be deemed potentially suspicious?

If I was asked to remove said Balaclava ,would it be a travesty of my human rights and degrading?

Or would I have to simply accept that I could be anyone under there , and they basically cannot see me, so obviously will be subjected to a more intense search , would be an unavoidable result of my need to stay covered, due to MY choice of headgear wearing beliefs?

 

Yet to state something so obvious , is inciting Islamophobia.

 

Most of the times the comments allowed online on Newspaper articles , are not allowed if it is likely to be bad PR , open debate must be allowed, yet it's not.

 

When the PIRA was at its height of its terror campaign in the UK, my Dad, who was Irish, and had a unmistakeable accent, used to get some harassment at the time, he went Back to Ireland a few times to visit relatives, and would always be stopped at Passport control and grilled more than anyone else , even though having a British Passport.

I asked him if back in the day did it bug him?

'Yes of course it did ,it seemed that if there was a bombing ,and the Media coverage, because of my accent, A FEW people automatically assume you are a Terrorist and potentially suspicious' was basically his answer.

'So why did you put up with it then?' was my next question.

'Well the prospects here are better than back home , and if it bugged me that much I WOULD SIMPLY GO BACK TO MY BIRTHPLACE' was his answer.

 

So basically then he just got on with it, no moaning , no outcry, just as often, when you live/work abroad , the indigenous people tend to stick together, get more work, and the law often favours them, so they look after their own first.

 

 

This political correctness of today is absolutely insane, it overrules any common sense approach and until it changes things will just get easier for would be terrorists IMO.

ANY connection to terrorist type activity or research should be awarded with being put on a database for life, to screw up any decent job prospects, and label you as a possible future threat.

If your family have claimed Asylum here, and you are directly involved in a terrorist plot, ALL of them should be instantly deported.

 

And for the people to say it will just drive it underground more, well is it not there already?

 

Just like the PIRA was infiltrated by undercover people, the same needs to start happening with these Terrorists cells ,the knowledge has to come from the inside- it has now got to be viewed that we ARE at war with these people.

 

I have just read 'The Iraq War' by John Keegan, and at the start of it , he tries to condense the history leading up to Saddams rule ,it's just a constant cycle of killings /wars/ military coup's regarding the religious beliefs of people at the time , these type of Countries, will never be at peace with one another, it revolves around Pure Fear/Dictatorship, it's all they know, there is no compromise.

 

There will be no end to this outcome, as these people/countries are living in the dark ages and don't want to come out of that era, you simply cannot reason with them.(unless the technology/science/medicine suits them but you cannot mention facts like that).

 

This is not meant to be mad rant , and as my last post on this forum was on Remberance Day, and what with the anniversary of the D-Day landings I almost feel ashamed to be posting it.

 

But every time I think of Emdadur Choudhury burning Poppies on Armistice Day ,and getting fined all of £50, as the Liberals are always telling this country -'Hate speech is not Free speech'.

'Everyone should have a voice' (unless it's something we don't agree with) It really winds me up.

 

This ultimately, is simply mine, regardless of what anyone thinks, and I am exercising it .

 

But , something's got to change hasn't it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Osterich I thought this was a place outside of Paris.