evolution380 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I need to pick up some more cartridges and wondering if I'm best doing this sooner rather than later as I keep hearing people discussing an upcoming hike in the next batches of cartridges? I see old posts relating to £150 a thou and such.. will it be much longer before even budget cartridges are all £190-200 a thou? I've narrowed down my next cartridge selection between Hull Superfast & Gamebore Velocity +. There both £171 a thou (cheapest i can find them) and if i buy 3 thousand i can get them for £168 a thou. Is it worth stocking up maybe 5 thousand or so before the hike? Or is it just hearsay and potentially negligible? Ideally i'd only buy 1 thou at a time but if i'm potentially going to be saving myself up to £20 a thou i'd rather stock up in readiness now and get more practice for my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 The only probable certainty is that it won't drop. So, 'a bird in the hand is................'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 It can't hurt to stock up. I will try to get myself a thousand Jockers, later. I have been crunching some really good pigeons with them. The price has very recently gone up, so I am hoping to get some old stock for £160. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evolution380 Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) The only probable certainty is that it won't drop. So, 'a bird in the hand is................'. very true! It can't hurt to stock up. I will try to get myself a thousand Jockers, later. I have been crunching some really good pigeons with them. The price has very recently gone up, so I am hoping to get some old stock for £160. See I've never used the Jockers but they seem to be very well praised. My local RFD had these in at £165 a thou but sold out immediately, he's due another batch within the next week or so which I was tempted to hold out for but **** law they will be hiked in price. He only has the 28g 7.5s do you use these for pigeon crunching? I'm Assuming the shot is more like an English 7? Would be good to have a multi use cartridge for clays pigeons as the cheapest pigeon load i can find are elegy pigeon selects at £199 a thou and i've not heard great things about them. Edited August 21, 2017 by evolution380 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Yes, they are an English 7 (2.4mm), but I would happily use them on pigeons if they were English 7.5s. I used several yesterday and they worked brilliantly on 50 yard pigeons. I need nothing more. They would do double duty on clays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evolution380 Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Yes, they are an English 7 (2.4mm), but I would happily use them on pigeons if they were English 7.5s. I used several yesterday and they worked brilliantly on 50 yard pigeons. I need nothing more. They would do double duty on clays. Very good to know! May have to get the RFD to call me as soon as there in stock again price dependent will grab a few thou of them instead. Wouldn't trust myself with the 7.5's at those ranges because I'm a novice shot, however it's good to know that they can be as effective in the right hands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) It can't hurt to stock up. I will try to get myself a thousand Jockers, later. I have been crunching some really good pigeons with them. The price has very recently gone up, so I am hoping to get some old stock for £160. hello, £169 a 1000 on just cartridge bin end list, just to add it seems to pay to buy in bulk if finance allows, if you buy just 1 box at £5.40 and then apply that cost your looking at £54 for 250/ £108 for 500/£162 for 750/£216 for a 1000, hope i got my sums right i am thinking to pop over to JC and try some Jockers or Jokers Edited August 21, 2017 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Motty are you saying jockers are 7 shot? Have you cut one open? Can you please and post picture of components? Reason I ask my gun shop will not stock them as he says they are made using reclaimed shot that is shot dug back up and cleaned, may be sized and then graphited. Which is why they are cheap. Now I can see nothing wrong with that if the processing of the shot is done well. Thanks Rb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Motty are you saying jockers are 7 shot? Have you cut one open? Can you please and post picture of components? Reason I ask my gun shop will not stock them as he says they are made using reclaimed shot that is shot dug back up and cleaned, may be sized and then graphited. Which is why they are cheap. Now I can see nothing wrong with that if the processing of the shot is done well. Thanks Rb If Motty says they kill pigeons well what's not to like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Motty are you saying jockers are 7 shot? Have you cut one open? Can you please and post picture of components? Reason I ask my gun shop will not stock them as he says they are made using reclaimed shot that is shot dug back up and cleaned, may be sized and then graphited. Which is why they are cheap. Now I can see nothing wrong with that if the processing of the shot is done well. Thanks Rb Surely, that can't be right. Back along at the height of the lead shot debacle we saw machines designed to recover the shot. The first and immediately obvious point is the pellets collected will have to be graded for size, let alone reshaped. The particular machines I refer to in order to work squashed everything picked up from the top few inches of soil, but the lead being soft didn't crumble which enabled the flat discs to be sieved and 'harvested'. However, even if the pellets can now be collected intact, they've been in the ground and whatever the process is, will have inevitably had stone particulate impressed - and we think soft iron is hard - no thanks, if this is correct,I'll give them a miss, plastic wads or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Motty are you saying jockers are 7 shot? Have you cut one open? Can you please and post picture of components? Reason I ask my gun shop will not stock them as he says they are made using reclaimed shot that is shot dug back up and cleaned, may be sized and then graphited. Which is why they are cheap. Now I can see nothing wrong with that if the processing of the shot is done well. Thanks Rb hello, the joker cartridges are i believe made in france and i doubt if they are made with used shot as 100s of 1000s are sold, maybe your RFD will not stock them due to profit margins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) I can confirm they are Italian sizes. It's written on packet. 7.5 (2.4mm ) so an English 7 or near as. I've have had them apart and the shot was spot on. I use the for bull trap now and then. So not a problem on a humble woodie. Edited August 21, 2017 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I did not say their was anything wrong with them or the idea that reclaimed shot was bad, the Americans have been reloading with reclaimed shot for quite some time now. I have no reason to doubt what I was told the importers also import RC and the information came via them, so phone and ask if you want to. It is an industrial process the shot is re claimed in many tons, washed, sorted, graded and regrahited so where is the problem? In some countries the shot is easy to collect as like they did for the Greenwich uk olympics mats are used to collect the shot. Only a small percentage of the shot will be damaged on firing and impact with the clay, this is sorted and not used. Stevo, picture please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I did not say their was anything wrong with them or the idea that reclaimed shot was bad, the Americans have been reloading with reclaimed shot for quite some time now. I have no reason to doubt what I was told the importers also import RC and the information came via them, so phone and ask if you want to. It is an industrial process the shot is re claimed in many tons, washed, sorted, graded and regrahited so where is the problem? In some countries the shot is easy to collect as like they did for the Greenwich uk olympics mats are used to collect the shot. Only a small percentage of the shot will be damaged on firing and impact with the clay, this is sorted and not used. Stevo, picture please. Ah, that makes more sense so naturally we're only talking clay pigeon sizes and from sites not at all like the average UK locations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 It's the price of scrap lead that keeps pushing prices up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Ah, that makes more sense so naturally we're only talking clay pigeon sizes and from sites not at all like the average UK locations. Yer, but I quite like the idea, better for the sport to be as green as possible and if recycling the shot keeps prices down then even better. May be its the future and time more trap disciplines did the same. Difficult for sporting for obvious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 It's the price of scrap lead that keeps pushing prices up hello, not quite sure its scrap but more the open markets of the main 4 countries that produce lead in the raw form, china have been know to stop production to push prices up, china produce a staggering 1,410, 000. metric tons where as Australia less than half that, USA 444,000 Peru 330,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Yer, but I quite like the idea, better for the sport to be as green as possible and if recycling the shot keeps prices down then even better. May be its the future and time more trap disciplines did the same. Difficult for sporting for obvious reasons. Valid points. If 10 blokes shot 100 rounds a day for 350 days in one year, that's nigh on 10 tons of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) It's the price of scrap lead that keeps pushing prices up So GREED does not enter into the equation at all then Oh, and there has been another recent hike in clay pigeon prices too ! Edited August 21, 2017 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Where has the price gone up .i am still paying the same for mine as I was12 month ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Here you go. Some pics of the jocker 7.5 ( English 7 in 28 gram. There's nowt wrong with the components . https://www.dropbox.com/s/fkn31gikiy02fk9/Photo%2022-08-2015%2C%2019%2005%2036.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0qmog4xyehknkt/Photo%2022-08-2015%2C%2019%2007%2025.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ne25zefr6qyr8zi/Photo%2022-08-2015%2C%2019%2012%2044.jpg?dl=0 Look better than a lot of the higher price shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper682 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 So back to the original. Superfast and velocity both going up very soon. Letters to dealers state that current prices were promo. This is now over. Buy now.superfasts will be £190+. Suspect velocity will be too. The jockers are very good too. Shot 3 90+ ex 100 lately with em, registered targets. These will go up in line with the rest , prob a £10 cheaper thou to keep the interest. Jasper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Thanks Stevo, They look very good and even saving on packaging costs, excellent other manufactures should take note, perhaps some scaremongering gong on by the main players suggesting they are poor quality because they use recycled shot when in reality the shot looks excellent in your photo. They must have perfected the recycling method which is good to see, a business model others should follow if it keeps cartridges costs down otherwise you have to wonder just how high can prices go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I suppose it all depends on what one fancies. If you like to/don't mind pay/ing for something decent - below, say, £300 and wouldn't dream of going to silly money like, say, £400, you could have a look at the Hull on Just Cart's bin ends - actually 6&1/2 shot. I forked out a bit less for the Pro Game and haven't regretted it fo one minute can't afford to do it again any time soon though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Here you go. Some pics of the jocker 7.5 ( English 7 in 28 gram. There's nowt wrong with the components . https://www.dropbox.com/s/fkn31gikiy02fk9/Photo%2022-08-2015%2C%2019%2005%2036.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0qmog4xyehknkt/Photo%2022-08-2015%2C%2019%2007%2025.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ne25zefr6qyr8zi/Photo%2022-08-2015%2C%2019%2012%2044.jpg?dl=0 Look better than a lot of the higher price shells. They look pretty good to be fair, I would happily use those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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