Hamster Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, pinfireman said: What a total load of bovine scatorum! Social media? Full of narcicissists, conspiracy theorists, and garbage! No wonder the Left has jumped on that bandwagon! You are truly deluded! What stops you from giving it a whirl ? Have you browsed the net recently ? I mean outside your own comfort zone of cattle like regurgitation of state sponsored propaganda ? Social media is where independent information is available, not all of it true by any means but enough there to give you a better grasp of matters global. The term is woke, you prefer fast asleep, no problemo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hamster said: You can do one coward. This is without doubt, the best forum I have ever been on! Anyhow...back to work....or am I in fact working......derderderdum derderderdum...... That's the opening few chords of the Twilight Zone....or is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Scully said: This is without doubt, the best forum I have ever been on! Anyhow...back to work....or am I in fact working......derderderdum derderderdum...... That's the opening few chords of the Twilight Zone....or is it? I'd be inclined to agree with that, it is certainly close to being one of the best but losers who start getting personal with insults shall always be rewarded in kind, that's one of my missions in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Struggling to see what unproveable allegation it is that I'm supposed to have made, as for beyond the reach of the law talk about melodramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) The plot thickens......it seems the police have opened a murder case relating to the death of Russian "business man" Nikolay Glushkov! It is reported he died from "compression of the neck"...........coincidence? Edited March 16, 2018 by panoma1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Hamster said: I'd be inclined to agree with that, it is certainly close to being one of the best but losers who start getting personal with insults shall always be rewarded in kind, that's one of my missions in life. It's always good to have ambition and aim high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, pinfireman said: Plonker! I do surf social media, and find that it,s full of unproveable garbage! There are still Flat Earthers on there! It,s where people like you go to make an allegation that is totally unproveable, and without evidence. And they can hide there, beyond the reach of law. Whoa Whoa Whoa! I'm not having that, you tell me where the evidence is that the earth isn't flat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 If it was, the sea would fall off it........ 3 hours ago, Hamster said: I'd be inclined to agree with that, it is certainly close to being one of the best but losers who start getting personal with insults shall always be rewarded in kind, that's one of my missions in life. Mission Impossible? Or implausible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 hello, looks like the other Russian, Nikolai Glushkovs is another murder from the latest Sky news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Scully said: It's always good to have ambition and aim high. Go on, bore us silly with a long list of your life achievements, making prefect on PigeonWatch better not be the highlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Can I suggest that anyone who thinks that governments don't lie to justify geopolitical / military policy read the following: The incubator babies justification of Gulf War I. To summarise, PR company hired by Kuwait get a 14yr old girl to pretend to have been working in a hospital and gives testimony to having seen iraqi soldiers chucking babies out of incubators. All made up, but did the job of turning public opinion to supporting a war. https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/15/opinion/deception-on-capitol-hill.html And then Assad using chemical weapons (conveniently justifying American bombing). Anyway, turns out was probably the rebels https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Quote Can I suggest that anyone who thinks that governments don't lie to justify geopolitical / military policy read the following: I don't think anyone thinks governments don't lie, or spin as its sometimes called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, ordnance said: I don't think anyone thinks governments don't lie, or spin as its sometimes called. Of course they lie, we all know that. The point the examples try to make is that events are now created or manipulated to justify conflict. It's the size and consequence of the lie I was alluding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, treetree said: Of course they lie, we all know that. The point the examples try to make is that events are now created or manipulated to justify conflict. It's the size and consequence of the lie I was alluding to. I doubt that the UK government wants a conflict with Russia. Edited March 16, 2018 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, ordnance said: I doubt that the UK government wants a conflict with Russia. It didn't go well for the Light Brigade last time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, ordnance said: I doubt that the UK government wants a conflict with Russia. Not directly no, proxy war, like we have been doing since the 50s is the way nuclear armed powers do it these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ordnance said: I doubt that the UK government wants a conflict with Russia. Probably not a direct conflict, but I get the impression that the prodding and poking of Russia that has been going on in recent years is being taken to the next stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Not directly no, proxy war, like we have been doing since the 50s is the way nuclear armed powers do it these days. Why and how would it benefit the UK. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ordnance said: Why and how would it benefit the UK. ? How does any war benefit any country? Doesn't seem to stop mankind's hunger for conflict does it? The winner might gain some territory, some resources, it might remove the threat of the other country doing it first. I don't know, why did the US go to Vietnam, why did Russia go to Afghanistan? A cynical man might think they just want to test their toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 hours ago, ordnance said: Why and how would it benefit the UK. ? It wouldn't and I don't believe the UK is courting war with Russia but it IS being sleep walked (by outside forces) into something potentially very dark. Logic says it won't be nuclear but too many Nato countries it seems are being manipulated against Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hamster said: It wouldn't and I don't believe the UK is courting war with Russia but it IS being sleep walked (by outside forces) into something potentially very dark. Logic says it won't be nuclear but too many Nato countries it seems are being manipulated against Russia. Ye gods; your mind must be a sinister place full of plots and counter plots! Just get on with your life and enjoy yourself. Just had a thought. Do you mind telling me how old you are? Edited March 17, 2018 by Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Has anyone actually said the word ‘sheeple’ yet - I need it for a full house on my nut job conspiracy theory bingo card. The 9/11 reference was a dead cert and got me my 4th corner... Apparently I can win a snow globe containing a walrus in disguise on a hippo, or an elephant depending on your perspective. Edited March 17, 2018 by Mungler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mungler said: Has anyone actually said the word ‘sheeple’ yet - I need it for a full house on my nut job conspiracy theory bingo card. The 9/11 reference was a dead cert and got me my 4th corner... Apparently I can win a snow globe containing a walrus in disguise on a hippo, or an elephant depending on your perspective. Whatever floats your boat ..SHEEPLE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Rewulf said: How does any war benefit any country? Doesn't seem to stop mankind's hunger for conflict does it? The winner might gain some territory, some resources, it might remove the threat of the other country doing it first. I don't know, why did the US go to Vietnam, why did Russia go to Afghanistan? A cynical man might think they just want to test their toys. I think keeping the Russians busy, not in a land war, but in other ways such as reciprocal cyber attacks, is a thing worth considering......no country has challenged them militarily recently, because no one wanted to provoke them, the West has just conveniently ignored and turned a blind eye to Russia's military and cyber aggression, and it has emboldened them............I feel because no one has effectively challenged them, it's led to "the devil making work for idle hands"......keep them occupied keep them out of mischief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, panoma1 said: I think keeping the Russians busy, not in a land war, but in other ways such as reciprocal cyber attacks, is a thing worth considering......no country has challenged them militarily recently, because no one wanted to provoke them, the West has just conveniently ignored and turned a blind eye to Russia's military and cyber aggression, and it has emboldened them............I feel because no one has effectively challenged them, it's led to "the devil making work for idle hands"......keep them occupied keep them out of mischief! Cyber aggression aside, which by the way BOTH of us do, what about OUR military aggression ? We fueled the 'popular' uprising in Syria by supplying weapons and training to the 'opposition' ie, al quaeda offshoots like al nusra ect. Im sure Assad is all the monster western media paint him to be, but hes also a Russian ally, so they prop him up with weapons and support, mostly with a mind to keeping their only Med port and strategic airbase. So NATO arms the rebels, Russia arms the government, your first example of proxy war. Or did you think all those TOW missiles,RPGs and millions of rounds of ammo get made in a shed in Raqqa ? Meanwhile the country lies in ruins, hundreds of thousands dead, and the refugees flood Europe. So we get the bill for supporting the war, the refugees, the terrorist attacks and all the aggravation associated. The arms manufacturers have a another good year, and buy a new superyacht or private jet. So how is that working out for the likes of you and me? Rinse and repeat in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq (Why did we invade them again, oh yes WMDs ) , and coming soon to ..Iran,NK maybe, the arms manufacturers (Sometimes called the MIC) are a hungry beast, and need to be fed. You can only keep upgrading your peace time arsenal to a certain point (the public who pay for it ,get emotional about it) so the dogs of war need to be let off the leash occasionally. And if no one will oblige, and get the ball rolling, you have to make it happen some other way. Thats not conspiracy theory, thats conspiracy FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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