grahamch Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Am in the process of acquiring an English 10 bore. Are there any commercial suppliers of 10 bore bismuth, Itm, itx loads out there? I recall Pantile Guns did them but cant find any contact details for them. I wont use enough shells to make loading my own viable. TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) You will probably have to load your own.What chamber has your ten got? Edited March 16, 2018 by muncher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 Pantiles guns has packed up , Myers is your best bet if you are loaded . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 3.5 inch for flexibilty. Initially cost is not an issue as using a legacy to fund purchase of gun and shells. Didnt know Alan Myres was still operating. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decoy1979 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 York guns have a couple of options listed on the bottom of there cartridge list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 On 16/03/2018 at 20:53, grahamch said: Am in the process of acquiring an English 10 bore. Are there any commercial suppliers of 10 bore bismuth, Itm, itx loads out there? I recall Pantile Guns did them but cant find any contact details for them. I wont use enough shells to make loading my own viable. TIA Loading your own needn't cost too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) have a chat with alan myres at garstang will not put you wrong or reload a load to suit you components from alan or clay game / Folkestone engineering etc all you need to reload is a scales and a rto to tailor your load and a nice pastime as well have not bought shop loads in 15 years for lead or non toxic rather nice to kill something you have made yourself loads of info on the www. or ask on here some really good guys willing to help Edited March 19, 2018 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 11:26, motty said: Loading your own needn't cost too much. For a box or 2 per season its too much cost, time and hassle. Would prefer to buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) If you can find them I would expect a 50gm load of Bismuth to cost at least £5-00 each, even buying it loose from Clay and Game will cost £3-50 per 50 gm a couple of boxes is going to be £250, I think it would be less costly and more interesting to roll your own, as saltings said get a RTO, a tub of propellant and some ITX Edited March 21, 2018 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy baxendale Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 17 hours ago, grahamch said: For a box or 2 per season its too much cost, time and hassle. Would prefer to buy Hell of a lot cheaper to DIY Two boxes you could knock up in an evening once you get the hang of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenergp Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Bismuth shot is £69 per kilo but you can buy a kilo of Bismuth for £29 incl post and just alloy it and make your own shot. Its quite easy to do you can melt Bismuth on a household cooker and use tin solder to alloy it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, greenergp said: Bismuth shot is £69 per kilo but you can buy a kilo of Bismuth for £29 incl post and just alloy it and make your own shot. Its quite easy to do you can melt Bismuth on a household cooker and use tin solder to alloy it hmm that sounds interesting james any more info or link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenergp Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 You can get bismuth from here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/high-pure-Bismuth-Metal-Bismuth-ingot-1kg-Bismuth-99-99-pure-Free-Shipping-/152807091202?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10 Making it into shot involves making a mould from rtv rubber and casting the shot, its a bit time consuming but easy to do, i used some beadchain for making the mould and then cast "sticks" of shot each pour has about 60 to 90 pieces of shot that need to be clipped into individual shot. Thats the time consuming part. To the OP could you not buy some lead cartridges and open the crimps empty the shot out and replace with bismuth shot from Clay and Game you could re-close the crimps and finish off with a Gaep spinner? Cookoff would be the man to know if this is possible and safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 hours ago, greenergp said: Bismuth shot is £69 per kilo but you can buy a kilo of Bismuth for £29 incl post and just alloy it and make your own shot. Its quite easy to do you can melt Bismuth on a household cooker and use tin solder to alloy it I would never buy bismuth at that price, it is ridiculous! Buying from abroad would be the way to go. 33 minutes ago, greenergp said: You can get bismuth from here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/high-pure-Bismuth-Metal-Bismuth-ingot-1kg-Bismuth-99-99-pure-Free-Shipping-/152807091202?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10 Making it into shot involves making a mould from rtv rubber and casting the shot, its a bit time consuming but easy to do, i used some beadchain for making the mould and then cast "sticks" of shot each pour has about 60 to 90 pieces of shot that need to be clipped into individual shot. Thats the time consuming part. To the OP could you not buy some lead cartridges and open the crimps empty the shot out and replace with bismuth shot from Clay and Game you could re-close the crimps and finish off with a Gaep spinner? Cookoff would be the man to know if this is possible and safe. I would have thought that it could be safe, provided it was done correctly. Opening up loaded cartridges is never likely to get you a good looking crimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) you will get as fine crimp if you open them up carefully then use a rto after you have folded it back down.Done it for years works very well . Edited March 22, 2018 by bishop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 So my understanding now, is that you can load bismuth using lead recipes..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 That is not correct, lot more to it than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Its not something to get overtly anal over though.You find homeloaders,not all, but some , i have noticed on this site boasting about their homeloads they create,many being well over CIP guidelines yet they do it none the less--as i do ---and thats fine but if anyone dares to load up a round without their queen bee sanction its like a drag queens hair spray convention.Stay safe but dont let anyone make you think its like merlins wizardry coz it bloody well aint.Download some clay and game data and ask around .plenty of bismuth loads .Im after a nobel 82 one right now myself.And ill end up doing a load i done for alphamax style rounds 40 years ago --and ill not wreck my gun--and ill get geese as i always do. Edited March 23, 2018 by bishop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m greeny Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 45 minutes ago, bishop said: Its not something to get overtly anal over though.You find homeloaders,not all, but some , i have noticed on this site boasting about their homeloads they create,many being well over CIP guidelines yet they do it none the less--as i do ---and thats fine but if anyone dares to load up a round without their queen bee sanction its like a drag queens hair spray convention.Stay safe but dont let anyone make you think its like merlins wizardry coz it bloody well aint.Download some clay and game data and ask around .plenty of bismuth loads .Im after a nobel 82 one right now myself.And ill end up doing a load i done for alphamax style rounds 40 years ago --and ill not wreck my gun--and ill get geese as i always do. Here here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black powder gunner Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Grahamch if you fancy a trip to near York I will load you a couple of boxes and show you how to reload pm me.I load my victorain 8 bore with bismuth the cheapest way is to buy a box of eley alphamax 46gramm bismuth from York guns at £25 per box for bbs and take the shot out of them works a treat hope this helps bpg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 22/03/2018 at 17:28, islandgun said: So my understanding now, is that you can load bismuth using lead recipes..? Um. No. But I did, and had them tested. They were fine. 36g lead vs 32g bismuth. Same space. This is the point i did that nontoxic load assay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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