MC Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 To be perfectly honest I do not find D&J cartridges any better or worse than similar priced cartridges. If they have to be loaded to a price then the powder, shot and other components are not going to be as good as a cartridge costing twice as much. For those who can remember the Sellier and Bellot Rabbit control cartidges which you used to be able to get were horrible, filthy dirty and kicked like a mule on steroids. Baikal Cartridges were no better, apart from they were incredibly hard hitting. The cheaper eleys and hull are all the same. How does the saying go? "You get what you pay for" I use Express World Cup for all clay shooting in plastic or fibre wad and have noticed no difference between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 To be perfectly honest I do not find D&J cartridges any better or worse than similar priced cartridges. If they have to be loaded to a price then the powder, shot and other components are not going to be as good as a cartridge costing twice as much. For those who can remember the Sellier and Bellot Rabbit control cartidges which you used to be able to get were horrible, filthy dirty and kicked like a mule on steroids. Baikal Cartridges were no better, apart from they were incredibly hard hitting. The cheaper eleys and hull are all the same. How does the saying go? "You get what you pay for" I use Express World Cup for all clay shooting in plastic or fibre wad and have noticed no difference between them. sellier and bellot wow that kicks in a memory they put some rabbits in the pot in the 50's i bought some 12 months ago and they still have clout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Just justifying my criticism. Yes they are cheap but I don't find them as good as other cheap felt wad carts. I find them inconsistent. I have shot less than 100 of these, about 10 different people at different times gave me a few to try and I found about 5 under powder, a lot considering how many I have used. Assuming something comes out the end of the gun the shot is terrible, soft and won't break edge on targets. There is also the recoil, punchy for what they are. Because of the powder variation in them, or perhaps the quality of the powder or manner its loaded, they sometimes fly out of the gun, other times they barely make it. Impossible to have any confidence in them, the last thing you need is being bang on a clay and it doesn't break because the shot is **** or there wasn't enough powder in the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 i shot my first 25 straight at skeet with D&Js they are what they are though, cheap and cheerful and like oters have said "you get what pay for". if you want a cartridge that performs and is consistent then you need to pay for it. black golds are my cartridge of choice at the minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 I've shot these before and they are perfectly adequate, and i'm happy to use them when i have to. I have to agree that they do leave alot of crud in the barrel which i can live with. Pin, it sounds like you got some psychological issues with these cartridges which i can understand, i can't shoot with lyalvale cartridges becuase i have no confidence in them after a bad batch once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Poacher: You could very well be right my friend. It's all about "if they work for you" at the end of the day. Same with gun choice and chokes, as well as any other variable up to and including your favourite mascot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 i shot my first 25 straight at skeet with D&Js they are what they are though, cheap and cheerful and like oters have said "you get what pay for". if you want a cartridge that performs and is consistent then you need to pay for it. black golds are my cartridge of choice at the minute. have you tried hull sovereigns paulos in my opinion better than black gold ie less recoil. also cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Hull sovereign FITASC extreme range in 7.5's for longer stuff, 8's for normal stuff, with a handfull of 6.5's for rabbit and ordinary sovereign in 9 shot for dinner plates on the end of the barrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Poacher: You could very well be right my friend. It's all about "if they work for you" at the end of the day. Same with gun choice and chokes, as well as any other variable up to and including your favourite mascot And "Lucky" pants, for the special occasion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 i shot my first 25 straight at skeet with D&Js they are what they are though, cheap and cheerful and like oters have said "you get what pay for". if you want a cartridge that performs and is consistent then you need to pay for it. black golds are my cartridge of choice at the minute. have you tried hull sovereigns paulos in my opinion better than black gold ie less recoil. also cheaper i have yeah, great cartridges, noone seems to stock them round here though! black golds, express and clever mirage are about all thats going. il maybe try and get another box for the game fair though, as the fibre wadded black golds kick like mules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 I have shot them, found them to be real dirty like everyone else says. I switched back to Eley first's in fibre at £108-00 a thousand which was only 8 quid dearer than the D&J's, not a lot of money extra to shoot a more premier cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 I posted up about these D & J cartridges here : - http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=30331&hl= and I'm still shooting my way through the 500 which I had. The gun takes a lot of cleaning to remove leading, far more than any other cartridge I have ever encountered in 20 years. Perhaps the plaswads would be better but I only shoot fibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Plastic seem very reasonable, but fibres are the worst cartridge - bar none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 D & J Cartridges? OK for me! I don't waste time looking up barrels for 'dirt'. Some of you sound like Fairy Liquid adverts! These are sound, inexpensive shells loaded with NobelSport GM3 and good shot. (Pigeons don't like them!) Talking about clean-burning - have any of you ever heard of 'bore-washing' or erosion? Give me a 'cheap' 'dirty' cartridge any day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagleye Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 That’s how I like my women and cartridges Cheap and dirty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Terrierist Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Used these for the first and last time, pigeons were blowin raspberries at me, could hear the pellets bouncing off the poor things! D&J? No thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Used these for the first and last time, pigeons were blowin raspberries at me, could hear the pellets bouncing off the poor things! D&J? No thank you! Just learn to shoot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrierist Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Just learn to shoot! Made me day that... chuckle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 nothing wrong with the carts, its the shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 nothing wrong with the carts, its the shooter. Try telling them, 'tho! 'Shoot where the target is going, not where it's been!' Chuckle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrierist Posted September 8, 2010 Report Share Posted September 8, 2010 Try telling them, 'tho! 'Shoot where the target is going, not where it's been!' Chuckle! Only place the Pigeon are going are into my bag/freezer... not shot with D and J's though :blink: Or Eley firsts.... Chuckle.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
left & right Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) I have been using these now for past two month gone through about 500. I use the 32g of 6s and find them a good cartridge hard hitting but they do leave the barrels dirty Edited September 10, 2010 by left & right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowchaser Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 I began shooting with D&J's and at the time thought they were ok. I was hitting targets just as well as when I used one or two other shells that people let me fire. One slight niggle is that they seem to recoil more than other 28gr loads. As such I only fire them through my semi auto. They do make the barrells more dirty than other shells but it's not as though the barrells become clogged after 50 shots. I would say that for the clay shooter who is working to a budget they are fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Did they ever fix the issue of the cartridge base being stripped off in semi autos? I seem to remember a couple of people on here saying it had happened to them. I avoid them for this very reason, the thought of anything being returned into the bore on top of a live shell is a bit scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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