Heads up Velo South disruption

[oowee]

We have races and time trials here all the time. It's no big deal if I get held up a bit and great to see people getting out and enjoying themselves. Setting an example to the lardy kids (and adults) has to be a good thing. Nothing wrong with a bit of lycra ?

[Yellow Bear]

1 hour ago, Jaymo said:

Am betting your local funfair/ fete / carnival produced just as much waste or disruption but as you attended it and thought it ‘pleasent’, then that’s ok.

You really don't get it do you the Ashover agricultural show has run for 88 years and has visitors in the tens of thousand and by the weekend following the area is free of rubbish because participants clean up after them, an activity not done by the cyclists and the disruption amounts to about 2 hours of traffic jams.

Tolerance and respect  is 2 way, sadly the cyclists seem to be without either in this area

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

You really don't get it do you the Ashover agricultural show has run for 88 years and has visitors in the tens of thousand and by the weekend following the area is free of rubbish because participants clean up after them, an activity not done by the cyclists and the disruption amounts to about 2 hours of traffic jams.

Tolerance and respect  is 2 way, sadly the cyclists seem to be without either in this area

Have you raised the litter issue with the organisers?

[Yellow Bear]

3 minutes ago, oowee said:

Have you raised the litter issue with the organisers?

Yes  - answer is it is only one day and perfectly legal - as I said unbelievable arrogance.

[oowee]

23 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

Yes  - answer is it is only one day and perfectly legal - as I said unbelievable arrogance.

That's not very helpful. The orgainsers here are excellent probably leaving the place cleaner than when they came. 

[JohnfromUK]

2 hours ago, Jaymo said:

Just like many car drivers- driven the M25 or such like recently?

I haven't driven the M25 recently and do my best to avoid all of that unpleasantly congested corner of the kingdom,  Round here, the standard of driving is generally still 'not bad' with courtesy and good manners still commonplace; NOT the case with a large minority of cyclists who are (as I said) 'irresponsible, self righteous and angry'.

What is quite noticeable is that the usual commute type cyclist in normal clothes cycling to work on a 'normal cycle' tends to keep to the cycle lanes, stop at the red lights and are generally 'well behaved'.  It is the lycra clad nutcases with cameras on their helmets cycling along at manic speeds in built up areas who are the badly behaved ones - I would suggest the majority of these do not obey either traffic lights, give way signs, or stick to the cycle lanes and have little awareness of other pedestrians and road users, often having goggles and ear inserts.

[Rewulf]

7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

 

What is quite noticeable is that the usual commute type cyclist in normal clothes cycling to work on a 'normal cycle' tends to keep to the cycle lanes, stop at the red lights and are generally 'well behaved'.  It is the lycra clad nutcases with cameras on their helmets cycling along at manic speeds in built up areas who are the badly behaved ones - I would suggest the majority of these do not obey either traffic lights, give way signs, or stick to the cycle lanes and have little awareness of other pedestrians and road users, often having goggles and ear inserts.

I have to agree, it seems putting the lycra  and the funny multi coloured glasses on, turns your average bike commuter into the leader of the pack al a Tour de France, with all the attitude.
My personal pet hate, the ones with a perfectly good, usually brand new cycle lane next to them, and theyre still driving on the road.

[JohnfromUK]

7 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

My personal pet hate, the ones with a perfectly good, usually brand new cycle lane next to them, and theyre still driving on the road.

One of the reasons round here for that (may apply nationwide, I'm not sure as I don't study cycle lanes) is the priorities at junctions.  It is a bit difficult to explain without a drawing, but if there is a left turn leaving a road with a cycle lane (down it's left hand side), the cycle lane has to give way to traffic turning left (i.e. cyclists coming up a car/lorry's left hand side has to give way).  This is indicated by signs and road markings in the cycle lane. If they are not in the cycle lane they believe this isn't applicable and as you slow down to turn left, they all 'zoom past' on your left creating a very dangerous situation, especially to drivers unfamiliar with this hazard.  Again - this is ALWAYS the lycra mob, not the regular commuter in his jeans and a t shirt, or equivalent.  There have been accidents .....

Edited August 14, 2018 by JohnfromUK

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

One of the reasons round here for that (may apply nationwide, I'm not sure as I don't study cycle lanes) is the priorities at junctions.  It is a bit difficult to explain without a drawing, but if there is a left turn leaving a road with a cycle lane (down it's left hand side), the cycle lane has to give way to traffic turning left (i.e. cyclists coming up a car/lorry's left hand side has to give way).  If they are not in the cycle lane they believe this isn't applicable and as you slow down to turn left, they all 'zoom past' on your left creating a very dangerous situation, especially to drivers unfamiliar with this hazard.  Again - this is ALWAYS the lycra mob, not the regular commuter in his jeans and a t shirt, or equivalent.  There have been accidents .....

Like I say, reckless behaviour from people with a virtual 'red mist' attitude.
They seem impervious to the danger...
Ran one over once, completely his fault, ranted about his cut knee and his bike damage, until he realised hed crossed a red light.
Did he apologise ? Nah.

[Rewulf]

A wet road on a dark November evening, he crossed the red light about 10 seconds after it changed because he was looking at the wrong set of lights.
He was very lucky the wulf reactions kicked in , otherwise hed have been splattered, just tapped him.
His language and aggression were a sight to behold , I was the worst driver in the world lol!
Luckily I had a witness, who backed me up, and as he was nursing his knee, he looked up and saw his mistake.
Do you want the police i said, err no thanks.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

How did they ever get to the position of being so belligerent?

[243deer]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

How did they ever get to the position of being so belligerent?

Probably because of the number of totally inconsiderate car drivers

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Wow! that must surely be a record!

[LeadWasp]

9 hours ago, Jaymo said:

Its on a Sunday- the least disruptive day for commuters and businesses alike, get a life and let others enjoy theirs 

(ps, I’m not even a cyclist ) 

Next you will be writing a letter to the Daily Mail complaining that there were too many Spaniards at your hotel In Benidorm and they should holiday elsewhere — oops, someone has beaten you too it

you don't get the wants vs needs concept here do you.

They're perfectly welcome to cycle these roads on any day of the year and mix with the rest of us.  A closed event is not needed or necessary.  Now multiply this around the country and in every national park with cycle events, marathons, triathlons and people start to get a bit fed up. We live in a functioning society not a velodrome.

Some of us might have lives unlike your quiet monkish Sundays, which is why we need to be places.  Or more importantly some of us might be looking after other lives.

[Jaymo]

2 hours ago, LeadWasp said:

you don't get the wants vs needs concept here do you.

They're perfectly welcome to cycle these roads on any day of the year and mix with the rest of us.  A closed event is not needed or necessary.  Now multiply this around the country and in every national park with cycle events, marathons, triathlons and people start to get a bit fed up. We live in a functioning society not a velodrome.

Some of us might have lives unlike your quiet monkish Sundays, which is why we need to be places.  Or more importantly some of us might be looking after other lives.

I do ‘get it’, because you have a dislike of this particular event then you feel it shouldn’t be allowed.

And yet up and down the country there are many many differing events catering for all from Carnivals and Lord Mayor processions to the Appleby horse fair to marches by the Countryside Alliance.

Fact of life fella, everyone has different likes and dislikes- get over the NIMBY attitude or its a very isolated life in later years.....

Oh, and for your info, most of my Sundays are spent somewhere other than home, but a day in a monastery might be a quiet welcome change ?

[LeadWasp]

24 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

I do ‘get it’, because you have a dislike of this particular event then you feel it shouldn’t be allowed.

And yet up and down the country there are many many differing events catering for all from Carnivals and Lord Mayor processions to the Appleby horse fair to marches by the Countryside Alliance.

Fact of life fella, everyone has different likes and dislikes- get over the NIMBY attitude or its a very isolated life in later years.....

Oh, and for your info, most of my Sundays are spent somewhere other than home, but a day in a monastery might be a quiet welcome change ?

no you haven't got it dear boy

nothing to do with an event, as I said cyclists are welcome here. To reword it so you can get your advanced intellect around the concept, the objection is to the imposition that puts the desires of 15,000 cyclists over the needs of half a million residents by corralling them for an entire day.

You're the one who stoked the fire and said to get a life, you're the one calling people NIMBYs and the rest of the above.  Sounds like you SHOULD spend your days in a monastery, cooling off and reflecting on your tone with people.  Otherwise it's you who might find yourself a bit lonely in later years.  Or perhaps lonely today which is why you're so rude and provocative..........................

Anyway I've done my bit - told people of the event and the possible disruption.  Can't do any more than that.

 

 

[Yellow Bear]

Bear in mind also the tour of Britain starts on the 3rd Sept for  a week so more closed roads.

As a further point it is not just the days of the events which cause problems.  Possibly more disruption is cause subsequent with groups of 15/20 riders at a time, most of whom were not involved initially, "doing the route" for the next few years.  We were unfortunate enough to have the TdF pass close a couple of years ago followed by the ToB the following year.  These roads are hilly, relatively narrow, and winding and are almost unusable at weekends between April and October due to this "doing the route" mentality.   

On one Sunday late last September I was homeward bound from visiting Friends in Whaley Bridge on the most direct route that takes us through Chatsworth.  Having turned in Beeley to go over the moor we caught up with a tractor  towing a stock trailer (not an unusual occurrence) and settled to follow it up the hill.  After about 500m the tractor slowed and stopped but did not pull over as they would have done if a vehicle was coming down, so I eased out to establish the problem.   Said problem was a group of about 30 cyclists attempting to ride up the hill, did they stop and allow other traffic to pass, did they hell.  We were stuck there for nearly an hour and with some 50 cars upwards bound and a similar number downwards and as the farmer passed them at the summit, where they had stopped, half of them gave him the finger.   This is the selfish arrogance of these types and is a regular occurrence locally although the numbers usually smaller. 

[Jaymo]

13 hours ago, LeadWasp said:

no you haven't got it dear boy

nothing to do with an event, as I said cyclists are welcome here. To reword it so you can get your advanced intellect around the concept, the objection is to the imposition that puts the desires of 15,000 cyclists over the needs of half a million residents by corralling them for an entire day.

You're the one who stoked the fire and said to get a life, you're the one calling people NIMBYs and the rest of the above.  Sounds like you SHOULD spend your days in a monastery, cooling off and reflecting on your tone with people.  Otherwise it's you who might find yourself a bit lonely in later years.  Or perhaps lonely today which is why you're so rude and provocative..........................

Anyway I've done my bit - told people of the event and the possible disruption.  Can't do any more than that.

 

 

Yes, my intellect is indeed lacking when I, or you for that matter, cannot differentiate over ‘the needs of 15000 cyclists to half a million residents ( wow, big ‘village’ , that many residents would place it in a large city category for which I’m sure the infrastructure is in place to allow access to parts of the area?) and any other type of event!

But, of course, I’m happy to differ on opinions, as after all I’m a very lonely person who is just looking for some ‘cuddles’ — ‘rude and provocative’? Moi, sorry I forgot as has been pointed out that this is the ‘off topic’ part of the forum for open discussion / views and that the nodding dog element is only allowed.

I bid you good day Sir... Au revoir, Adiós, Addio,Tots Ziens und Auf Wiedersehen 

[Penelope]

13 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

Bear in mind also the tour of Britain starts on the 3rd Sept for  a week so more closed roads.

As a further point it is not just the days of the events which cause problems.  Possibly more disruption is cause subsequent with groups of 15/20 riders at a time, most of whom were not involved initially, "doing the route" for the next few years.  We were unfortunate enough to have the TdF pass close a couple of years ago followed by the ToB the following year.  These roads are hilly, relatively narrow, and winding and are almost unusable at weekends between April and October due to this "doing the route" mentality.   

On one Sunday late last September I was homeward bound from visiting Friends in Whaley Bridge on the most direct route that takes us through Chatsworth.  Having turned in Beeley to go over the moor we caught up with a tractor  towing a stock trailer (not an unusual occurrence) and settled to follow it up the hill.  After about 500m the tractor slowed and stopped but did not pull over as they would have done if a vehicle was coming down, so I eased out to establish the problem.   Said problem was a group of about 30 cyclists attempting to ride up the hill, did they stop and allow other traffic to pass, did they hell.  We were stuck there for nearly an hour and with some 50 cars upwards bound and a similar number downwards and as the farmer passed them at the summit, where they had stopped, half of them gave him the finger.   This is the selfish arrogance of these types and is a regular occurrence locally although the numbers usually smaller. 

Thanks for the reminder, I must series link it along with La Vuelta, I have been getting withdrawals since Le Tour finished. 

[Deker]

22 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

Yes  - answer is it is only one day and perfectly legal - as I said unbelievable arrogance.

 

if that's their answer take it up with British cycling as the littering part certainly isn't legal

[39TDS]

These events mean every road in a 5-10 mile radius will be closed. Nobody is allowed to go anywhere in their car be it to the shop, to work (plenty of people work on Sundays) to visit relatives etc etc.

That means 400,000 people being told they can't go out on a Sunday.

The event will be touted as "for charity", it isn't. It is purely a money making exercise for the organisers. They will give no money to charity whatsoever.

None of the people disadvantaged by the event will get any benefit from it whatsoever.

 

I have experienced an event of this type in my area, they are just very wrong in my opinion. The fact that it is cyclists is neither here nor there.

[Yellow Bear]

1 hour ago, 39TDS said:

These events mean every road in a 5-10 mile radius will be closed. Nobody is allowed to go anywhere in their car be it to the shop, to work (plenty of people work on Sundays) to visit relatives etc etc.

That means 400,000 people being told they can't go out on a Sunday.

The event will be touted as "for charity", it isn't. It is purely a money making exercise for the organisers. They will give no money to charity whatsoever.

None of the people disadvantaged by the event will get any benefit from it whatsoever.

 

I have experienced an event of this type in my area, they are just very wrong in my opinion. The fact that it is cyclists is neither here nor there.

It also means the carers for the elderly and infirm cannot get in.