AYA117 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, motty said: Are they REALLY killing them at 90 yards? Have you ever pattern tested at long range? If they are not, where do the dead birds come from at the end of the day? Does the shoot buy them in to hang up, just to look good? And no I do not pattern test, I am only interested in how a cartridge performs in the field and not what it looks like on paper, I know some get a lot of pleasure out of it and that is fine by me. I have considered doing it, for amusement but for nothing other than that. Edited October 31, 2018 by AYA117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, AYA117 said: If they are not, where do the dead birds come from at the end of the day? Does the shoot buy them in to hang up, just to look good? Law of averages. One pebble won't hit a can at 30 paces but a handful might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 If you’re lucky enough to get a pellet in the right place, they’ll fold. And there’s a lot get shot in the 60-70 yard range also .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 22 minutes ago, Hamster said: Law of averages. One pebble won't hit a can at 30 paces but a handful might. So a big enough handful of big enough pebbles thrown by an experienced, competent thrower solves the matter right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, AYA117 said: I bet i eat more 15 yd pigeons than you eat 90 yd pheasants 😛 Least my birds are dead and in front of me .Yours are bleeding under a bush in the next county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Ultrastu said: I bet i eat more 15 yd pigeons than you eat 90 yd pheasants 😛 On purpose or when you happen to be cycling past?😀🎃🎃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: I bet i eat more 15 yd pigeons than you eat 90 yd pheasants 😛 Hope you have toast with your pigeon pate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 We turn the pigeons into lasagne and bollognaise so it doesnt really matter much . And yes toast goes well with it .👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 24 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Least my birds are dead and in front of me The field must look like a turkey plucking shed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, AYA117 said: The field must look like a turkey plucking shed Yes and its a very satisying sight .as it means i did a great job and shot well and my dog loved it too . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYA117 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Ultrastu said: and my dog loved it too Please never tell my Flatcoat or he will start complaining about the distance that he has to cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, AYA117 said: Please never tell my Flatcoat or he will start complaining about the distance that he has to cover 🤣😂👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 8 hours ago, PPP said: So a big enough handful of big enough pebbles thrown by an experienced, competent thrower solves the matter right? Yes is the simple answer but as always context is everything. We keep the target distances to around a max of 60 yards (depending on orientation and type of clay) because experience has shown that inside that zone the potential of the target to escape being hit with one or more pellets is nearasdammit nil. We don't have competitions where every clays starts at a minimum 80 with the longest at 135 yards because experience has shown that we'd mostly be having a laugh. If you throw a handful of pebbles at an empty can at 30 paces some will sometimes hit it, if you walk twenty paces closer you will almost always hit it, with practice. 8 hours ago, Ultrastu said: I bet i eat more 15 yd pigeons than you eat 90 yd pheasants 😛 Least my birds are dead and in front of me .Yours are bleeding under a bush in the next county. Many a true word spoken in jest. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 If and when a gun and ammo combination is discovered that keeps say 100-150 big pellets inside a 40" pattern at 90 yards then I will have nothing but admiration for those who knock them in style, until then they're just humouring themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) There is such a cartridge, I watched a video a few years ago. The wad and shot stay together for around 40 to 50 yards then the shot leaves the wad. 100 yard patterns were quite good. Here you go https://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/98186-100-metri-100-metre-cartridges/ Edited November 1, 2018 by figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 If thats correct .? Then wouldnt that be an illegal projectile shot from a shot gun .ie a single projectile like a slug (without a ticket for it ) ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, figgy said: There is such a cartridge, I watched a video a few years ago. The wad and shot stay together for around 40 to 50 yards then the shot leaves the wad. 100 yard patterns were quite good. Here you go https://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/98186-100-metri-100-metre-cartridges/ As far as I'm aware actual tests done by a forum member resulted in rather dubious "patterns" with some refusing to even open up !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, Hamster said: As far as I'm aware actual tests done by a forum member resulted in rather dubious "patterns" with some refusing to even open up !! The 60 meter ones performed a lot better 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, Old farrier said: The 60 meter ones performed a lot better 🙂 If we load one in front of the other we're there. 😂 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 63 gram of 2&4 shot duplex loads is all that’s required through extra full chokes. Or HW 13 or HW 18 shot in cartridges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 55 minutes ago, figgy said: 63 gram of 2&4 shot duplex loads is all that’s required through extra full chokes. Or HW 13 or HW 18 shot in cartridges Hw18 is fantastic stuff, but very expensive. I patterned a 30gm load of 7.5s at 60 yards and the results were impressive. The load is devastating on geese at that range and beyond. I killed a goose at long range last week with a similar load. Number 9s would probably be good for long range pheasants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Motty when they pay as much as they do for high bird days the cost of cartridges pales into insignificance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 As a matter of interest for all these cartridge officiado's have any of you making comments regarding capabilities pattern tested some of the popular cartridges in use on these type of days, to give you the basis of your thoughts? Lots of manufacturers have done serious work to build cartridges for this type of shooting over the last few years. I'm just wondering how you can all be so sure in your judgements so looking for the factual proof you have on what you are basing your judgements on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 I have. Please see my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: I have. Please see my posts. can you post a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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