Rules..for the many, or the few ?

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, snow white said:

Bet if he aplys for a fac/ shotgun license he will get one with out any trouble not lije the rest of us who cant **** with out being checked

We ll see about that , I cant see how they can avoid jail time here.

Sentencing precedent has already been set in these type of cases, and the evidence against her is solid, hes already admitted it, weakening her case, which begs the question why is she continuing ?
Any longer than a 6 month sentence, she has to vacate her seat, so her career as an MP and solicitor is toast.
And all because she didnt fancy 3 points and a fine ?!

[Gordon R]

The prosecution case is that she used someone, who was actually back in Russia as the named driver. She allegedly completed her portion of the form and the Russian lad completed his details, even though he was back in Russia. Her two mobile phones have been placed in the same small area as her car at the time of the traffic offence, which would mean that the Russian lad would need to have been driving her car and carrying both of her mobile phones. Quite a feat, as he was not in this country at the time. Co-incidentally, her brother - who has thrown his hands up - used the same person in Russia. When asked if she was actually driving the car at the time - she declined to answer. "It could be true", said a member of the flat earth society.

Perhaps she drew her inspiration from "The man with two brains" - when Doctor Hfuhrhurr said that there were only two doctors in the World who could perform the brain transplant on Kathleen Turner - himself and Doctor Beckerman
 

Quote

 

 Dr. Brandon: Well, Dr. Beckerman was murdered in Europe - you know that.

Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr: Exactly. Not only is he dead, he's six thousand miles away.

 

 

I wish I was at the trial hearing her explanation.

[Rewulf]

34 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

She allegedly completed her portion of the form and the Russian lad completed his details, even though he was back in Russia.

I knew there was Russian involvement somewhere !
Bellingcat will be along shortly to refute these claims and aid her in her defence.
The Russkie only wanted to borrow the car to go and see a big cathedral ...

I cant wait to hear how she tries to wriggle out of it either, has she used the race card yet ?

[Penelope]

3 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I knew there was Russian involvement somewhere !
Bellingcat will be along shortly to refute these claims and aid her in her defence.
The Russkie only wanted to borrow the car to go and see a big cathedral ...

I cant wait to hear how she tries to wriggle out of it either, has she used the race card yet ?

All in good, all in good time.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

The Judge has apparently adjourned the case;

"However, resuming proceedings this afternoon Judge Nicholas Hilliard QC explained to jurors that the "parties have drawn to my attention a matter during the break and it just needs checking from everybody's point of view". The case has been adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, November 15 at 10.15am. The court heard yesterday that at 10.03pm on July 24 last year, Ms Onasanya's Nissan Micra was allegedly caught by a speed camera on The Causeway near the village of Thorney, in Cambridgeshire.

Read more at: https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/judge-adjourns-old-bailey-trial-of-peterborough-mp-fiona-onasanya-after-matters-drawn-to-his-attention-1-8705722

[JJsDad]

21 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

The Judge has apparently adjourned the case;

Come on Tightchoke, have you got an update ? Been following this with interest.

[Rewulf]

14 minutes ago, JJsDad said:

Come on Tightchoke, have you got an update ? Been following this with interest.

For some reason, not much has happened today, its going to reconvene 10am tomorrow.
Shes probably thrown a sickie 

[JJsDad]

7 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Shes probably thrown a sickie

With a bit of luck she has been caught speeding on her way to court. Now that would make my day ! 

[Rewulf]

Just now, JJsDad said:

With a bit of luck she has been caught speeding on her way to court. Now that would make my day ! 

Where shes going she wont need a car 😯

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 hour ago, JJsDad said:

Come on Tightchoke, have you got an update ? Been following this with interest.

As you might imagine I am very interested in this case.

As soon as I hear anything I will post it as long as it is linkable.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

From the Peterborough Telegraph;

Prosecutor David Jeremy QC said: “The purpose in providing the name of a real person as the driver, but providing a false address and telephone number that were connected to Festus Onasanya, was that Mr Antipow, while a real person, would remain untraceable to the police and so the true driver of Miss Onasanya’s car on the 24th July 2017 would escape prosecution.” Festus Onasanya, of Chesterton, Cambridge, had deployed the same tactic when his car was caught by a speed camera on June 17 and August 23 last year, jurors heard. Last Monday, he pleaded guilty to three charges of perverting the course of justice, including one relating to the July 24 incident. Mr Jeremy told jurors that Onasanya was a busy person but had “trapped” herself in lies by adopting her brother’s methods of making a speeding prosecution disappear.

He said: “This case may have started as a case about an offence of speeding.  “It has become, as a result of the choices made by Miss Onasanya, a case about lying. Lying persistently and deliberately. Lying all the way to this court, maybe about lying in this court. “Lying a way that has had to be co-ordinated with lies told by her brother. Lying to avoid prosecution for a breach of the laws that apply, or should apply, to every single one of us whoever you may be. “What a shame she did not tell the truth in the beginning.” On February 3 last year, Onasanya, a trained solicitor, had no difficulty correctly filling out an NIP form after triggering another camera the month before, the court heard. That time she had avoided points on her licence by going on a speed awareness course. A police investigation allegedly found her two mobile phones were in the area of the traffic camera around the time it was activated on July 24. And she had not claimed expenses for accommodation in London since the Friday before, the court heard.

The Cambridgeshire Police camera unit sent an NIP to Mr Antipow but it was returned to sender. On being asked to provide correct contacts, the defendant replied: “I have supplied the details made known to me as well as the licence information...I have provided a completed nomination previously.” Another NIP letter was sent to Mr Antipow but again received no response. Mark Williams, an investigator from the Cambridgeshire Camera Ticket unit, repeatedly tried to contact Ms Onasanya. On November 2, she allegedly told him that she “stands by her nomination”. When she attended a voluntary interview at Bedford Police headquarters on January 2, she declined to answer questions. Mr Jeremy said: “It must, as some of us may know, be very irritating to receive that bit of paper telling us that we have triggered a speed camera and asking us to name the driver of the car. “But while irritation is understandable, telling lies to frustrate an investigation into an offence is not. “What Miss Onasanya did when her vehicle was trapped on the 24th July 2017, was not just to own up and tell the truth which would have been so much better but to adopt her brother’s method of evading prosecution. “The two of them were acting jointly in telling lies in order to prevent the prosecution of the true driver.” He told jurors: “The question for you to decide in this case will be whether Festus Onasanya was acting alone when he perverted the course of justice in relation to the trapping of Miss Onasanya’s car on the 24th or whether the two of them were acting together.”

Ms Onasanya, from Peterborough, has denied one count of perverting the course of justice. The trial, which is expected to go on for a week, was adjourned until Wednesday. Before sending jurors away, Judge Nicholas Hilliard QC told them: “I’m sure it does not need saying but politics do not come into it. They cannot be a factor in the decision-making process at all.”

All very interesting and hopefully it will not be adjourned again.

Edited November 16, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE

[Newbie to this]

34 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

The question for you to decide in this case will be whether Festus Onasanya was acting alone when he perverted the course of justice in relation to the trapping of Miss Onasanya’s car on the 24th or whether the two of them were acting together.”

I don’t get this statement, Surely the NIP was sent to Miss Onasanya as the registered keeper of the car and doesn't She by law have to fill out the NIP, so how can She not be complicit?

I hope She sees prison time for this, but I will not hold my breath. The above statement to me, already looks like the blame is going to be placed squarely on the Brother.

[panoma1]

48 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

I don’t get this statement, Surely the NIP was sent to Miss Onasanya as the registered keeper of the car and doesn't She by law have to fill out the NIP, so how can She not be complicit?

I hope She sees prison time for this, but I will not hold my breath. The above statement to me, already looks like the blame is going to be placed squarely on the Brother.

Quite obviously she cannot be guilty of lying because she is an "honourable" member! 😂 so it must have been her brother 'wat did it' eh guv, Innit?

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

I don’t get this statement, Surely the NIP was sent to Miss Onasanya as the registered keeper of the car and doesn't She by law have to fill out the NIP, so how can She not be complicit?

I hope She sees prison time for this, but I will not hold my breath. The above statement to me, already looks like the blame is going to be placed squarely on the Brother.

It confused me as well.
The only thing I can think of is that its either been reported wrong, or Ms Onasanya is somehow trying to blame her brother for him supplying the information about who was driving to HER.
Her problem in this respect is the mobile phone records, and the insinuation she was in the area at the time.
Also what kind of statement uncle Festus has given the police.
It sounds to me like her loving brother is trying to save his own bacon from prison (via cooperating) whilst throwing her to the wolves.
Dont you just love families !

[JohnfromUK]

More here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6397457/Former-aide-says-Labour-MPs-drove-house-claims-Russian-speeding-car.html

[Rewulf]

21 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

More here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6397457/Former-aide-says-Labour-MPs-drove-house-claims-Russian-speeding-car.html

Oh dear, I wonder if shes getting sentenced today ?
Hope shes bought her bag 

[JJsDad]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6397457/Former-aide-says-Labour-MPs-drove-house-claims-Russian-speeding-car.html

Oh dear !  Now we have a witness come forward. This is getting seriously interesting.

[Rewulf]

Doesnt look like there'll be a verdict today , at last check 3 pm , they were still swearing in witness's ,Im sure they pack up around 4.

https://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Central-Criminal-Court.php

Edited November 16, 2018 by Rewulf

[JJsDad]

35 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Doesnt look like there'll be a verdict today

I have a nasty feeling she will get off on a technicality. No jury is going to believe a Nissan Micra can do 41 mph !

[old man]

On 15/11/2018 at 16:23, Rewulf said:

Where shes going she wont need a car 😯

Not so sure. May even be allocated one?

[Gordon R]

I am surprised Onasanya is still going ahead with the Not Guilty plea. It's too late to get a lesser sentence for an early guilty plea, but this appears to be wasting taxpayers money.

[JJsDad]

2 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

but this appears to be wasting taxpayers money.

Lets just hope the Judge takes that into account when sentencing; subject to the correct verdict of course !

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, JJsDad said:

I have a nasty feeling she will get off on a technicality. No jury is going to believe a Nissan Micra can do 41 mph !

😂

 

3 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

I am surprised Onasanya is still going ahead with the Not Guilty plea. It's too late to get a lesser sentence for an early guilty plea, but this appears to be wasting taxpayers money.

In your experience Gordon, what should she be looking at ?

Ive see 18 months handed out for stuff like this, and thats not an Old Bailey trial either.

[Gordon R]

Chris Huhne got eight months, but did plead guilty - albeit not at the earliest opportunity. I think that this case - if proven - is far more serious. It wouldn't be a one off, but a systematic abuse of the system. 18 months would be about right. If she is found guilty and gets less - she has got a result.

However implausible her account is - named driver in Russia at the time, brother already held his hands up, her two mobile phones in the area at the time - it just took a turn for the worse with the two new witnesses placing her at their home, at the right time and not a Russian in sight.

[JohnfromUK]

34 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

but this appears to be wasting taxpayers money.

That's an M.P. all over, it's one of the things they do well..

Edited November 16, 2018 by JohnfromUK