secret-squirrel Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) Hi lads šš so here goes Iām notĀ new to shooting but very new to reloading!Ā so I woke up on 25th toĀ find that Santa (my wife says heās not real but I donāt believeļ»æļ»æĀ her!! )Ā had got me a brand new shinyĀ boxed ālee loadall 2!ā (not the best I no before you all jump in but itāsĀ a starting point )Ā At the minute me and her only shoot clays but in the process of tryingĀ to get some permision .Ā I just lookingĀ for some advice with the whole reloading game ...... basically weāre do I start! Is there a book I can buy ?. I have looked on clay and game and at a few online shops that sell reloading materials but real world scenario surely IdĀ beĀ best off to buy a slab of some decentĀ cartridges...(12g) shoot them .. save the cartridges and reload them ? ? But how do I no without asking you lot which ones they are ?Ā I literally no nothing about this but Iām veryĀ particular with things and I am aĀ extremely fast learner.Ā ļ»æ I have looked at buying new primed Ā cases but it will cost about Ā£29 before delivery for 300x ? So clearly notĀ worth going down that route ?! any info youĀ could give me on the best items /braļ»ænds or were about to buy them fromĀ would be greatly appreciated.Ā ThanksĀ in advance ! SS (going claying tommorow so if I new which cartridges and specifically why thoseĀ are good to reload I might go skip diving while Iām there )Ā ššš Ā Ā Edited December 30, 2018 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) If the ClayĀ groundĀ allow it? Collect plastic bags full of cases,Ā as many as you can get (only dry ones though!) sort them by brandĀ when you get home, they will have only been fired once so they should be fine!...but discard any that are damaged, rustyĀ orĀ gotten wet! That is a good starting point! When you identify the type of case you have, appropriate to theĀ formulaĀ you want to load,Ā buy primers powder and wads as per the chosen formula....the first step after visual inspection is,Ā using the Lee Loadall to pressĀ the firedĀ primer out, and press in the new one, the cartridge case will be resizedĀ with the sizing ring during the deprime and reprime exercise,Ā select Ā and install the powder bushing that drops the correct weight of powder stipulated, and install the bushing appropriate to the weight of shot stipulated....you are ready to go! You will need a means of checking the powder "drop" every so often, to ensure accurate weight of powder drop....IĀ suggest buyingĀ a balance beam scale for that purpose! Edited December 30, 2018 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, panoma1 said: If the ClayĀ groundĀ allow it? Collect plastic bags full of cases,Ā as many as you can get (only dry ones though!) sort them by brandĀ when you get home, they will have only been fired once so they should be fine!...but discard any that are damaged, rustyĀ orĀ gotten wet! That is a good starting point! When you identify the type of case you have, appropriate to theĀ formulaĀ you want to load,Ā buy primers powder and wads as per the chosen formula....the first step after visual inspection is,Ā using the Lee Loadall to pressĀ the firedĀ primer out, and press in the new one, the cartridge case will be resizedĀ with the sizing ring during the deprime and reprime exercise,Ā select Ā and install the powder bushing that drops the correct weight of powder stipulated, and install the bushing appropriate to the weight of shot stipulated....you are ready to go! You will need a means of checking the powder "drop" every so often, to ensure accurate weight of powder drop....IĀ suggest buyingĀ a balance beam scale for that purpose! Perfect ! I will see what the ground says tommorow and go from there ....Ā āchosen formula ā see thatās the bitĀ Iām struggling with ... mises will be shooting 21g 7.5 or 8ās ...Ā Iāll shoot anything ..So letās run with 21gĀ were do I get the formulas from ? Or is this the part I have to ring a shop up for? I have watched enough videos on the lee loadall to know how it all works now (I think)Ā mans I also have a set of 0.00 scales from when I used to fable with scrap gold so thatās that not sorted .Ā Thanks for the reply !! SS Ā Edited December 30, 2018 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 If you fancy a trip to Burton i will help.... Paul Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, biketestace said: If you fancy a trip to Burton i will help.... Paul Ā That's a great offer....take him up on it!........Oh!........Ā And Clay and Game reloaders will sell you a suitableĀ data sheet, for a quid or so! Delivered by email I think! google "Clay and Game Data sheets" and choose by powder what you want to load....maybe vectan AS? Edited December 30, 2018 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Good luck withyour new hobby https://www.claygame.co.uk/data-sheets-ds19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 You can get data for loads from the powder manufacturers websites. Sure you will get some decent recipes from the helpful folk on here. Loading 28g you won't save much if anything but the 21g could be interesting for you as you can load up some small shot like 9 or smaller to get great pattern density and should save a bit of money too. Hawkeye and magman357 have a good recipe for clay loads and it don't use much powder. I've shot a few of them and they work fine, when they put primers in š Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 53 minutes ago, panoma1 said: That's a great offer....take him up on it!........Oh!........Ā And Clay and Game reloaders will sell you a suitableĀ data sheet, for a quid or so! Delivered by email I think! google "Clay and Game Data sheets" and choose by powder what you want to load....maybe vectan AS? How do I no which powder to choose šš .Ā I Am going to message Paul and see if we can arrange something š Thanks SNOOZER !! 15 minutes ago, figgy said: You can get data for loads from the powder manufacturers websites. Sure you will get some decent recipes from the helpful folk on here. Loading 28g you won't save much if anything but the 21g could be interesting for you as you can load up some small shot like 9 or smaller to get great pattern density and should save a bit of money too. Hawkeye and magman357 have a good recipe for clay loads and it don't use much powder. I've shot a few of them and they work fine, when they put primers in š I no it sounds daft but I mm not that bothered about saving mega money or even any money really at the minute would just like to do it now I have been brought the main part of the operation . Donāt get me wrong 2000 cartridges in and I might be thinking different . yea thatās why I was thinking 21g because every 3 cartridges loaded you get an extra sortov FreeĀ š well š¤š¤ one of those guys stumble on to this thread and lend a helpful message šš¤ thanks lads !Ā SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 You could try a search on the forum. For some reason the new format search don't work for me. Try and get a spinner to finish the crimps geaep make good ones, makes them look just like ready made carts. Even in a hand drill the spinners work great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) I second what figgy just said, a spinner is well worth the money it puts a good finish on the crimp.Ā A bench drill stand is easiest but doesn't have to be a posh one. One with a drill mounted will work fine. I load all my 410s now and even after putting real nice crimps, the 'nose' of the cartridge is still a bit tight to go in the chamber and the spinner has solved that completely and a big help with 410s which are just that bit trickier to drop in the chamber than 12s or even 20s but even for your 12s it will just finish the job nicely. Two important things ...don't rush the job and do it alone with no outside interference and that way you shouldn't make a mistake. on edit....be ruthless in chucking any shells which have slight cracks or are not perfect, do this after you have de primed before priming. Ā Edited December 30, 2018 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Paul should sort you out. Id start with the most boring average shell in the universe. An ounce or ounce n eighth. Take little steps and alot of advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted December 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Walker570 said: I second what figgy just said, a spinner is well worth the money it puts a good finish on the crimp.Ā A bench drill stand is easiest but doesn't have to be a posh one. One with a drill mounted will work fine. I load all my 410s now and even after putting real nice crimps, the 'nose' of the cartridge is still a bit tight to go in the chamber and the spinner has solved that completely and a big help with 410s which are just that bit trickier to drop in the chamber than 12s or even 20s but even for your 12s it will just finish the job nicely. Two important things ...don't rush the job and do it alone with no outside interference and that way you shouldn't make a mistake. on edit....be ruthless in chucking any shells which have slight cracks or are not perfect, do this after you have de primed before priming. Ā Cheers šš I will have a look into a spinner . But maybe for now see how it is with the loadalls internal crimp just to see how it is before I commit . so there is no tell tale sign of a good brand or certain style of cartridge to look for tommorow?Ā š we will see I have pmād him earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 PM replied to. Pick up empties made by Hull or RC, steer clear of Express..... Make sure they are 70mm ( its printed on the case) Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, biketestace said: PM replied to. Pick up empties made by Hull or RC, steer clear of Express..... Make sure they are 70mm ( its printed on the case) Paul Certainly Hull cases appear to be good ones.Ā RC 410s I have found less soĀ Ā BUT as with many things the proof of the pudding etc.,Ā Try and use the same make/style cases, simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted December 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) Ā 10 hours ago, biketestace said: PM replied to. Pick up empties made by Hull or RC, steer clear of Express..... Make sure they are 70mm ( its printed on the case) Paul Thanks for all the replies people really appreciate it !! well what can I sayĀ Not longĀ got back from āeast midsĀ clay groundā at Sawley andĀ it was a great morning for all. We got there late (standard ifĀ the mises is involved) Ā about 11.30 soĀ hardly any one there !Ā Spoke to the bloke in charge he instantly offered me a tonne bag of old cartridgesĀ š told him I was under strict instructions to get clean ,dry and certain makes he told me to fill my boots it would be doingĀ him a favour! After we finished i rummaged threw a few stands buckets and cameĀ Ā away with maybe 200 or so of the best looking ones so letās see if I did wellĀ : Ā All 70mm Ā and 6 star crimpĀ * Hull super fast (blue case ) * RC , rc2 sporting (blue again) *Hull sovereign Ā (red case)Ā * Gamebore velocity+ Ā (Silver case ) *winchester solver Ā (Silver case )Ā Ā Fingers crossed my first haul was a good one .i guess I Just need to go through them and make sure thereās no duds in there now. cheers SS Edited December 31, 2018 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted December 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 Roughly 300 casesĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, secret-squirrel said: Roughly 300 casesĀ Just want to say that looks strangely beautiful in an OCD type wayĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 Certainly plenty to start on. Let's see a few once they are full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 As I remember it,Ā Hull use cheddites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted December 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ttfjlc said: Just want to say that looks strangely beautiful in an OCD type wayĀ Not sure when the mises walked in that was her firstĀ thought ššš I have justĀ been on clay and game website to try and price up the bitsĀ This is what I have come up with :Ā Ā (this is all just guessing and all roughly on the bits that looked right on there website not the actual stuff Iām going to use or buy just a rough guide to myself ))Ā Edited December 31, 2018 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 Maths is right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 Yep, it ain't that much cheaper but a lot of satisfaction from loading your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 John at FES should do components cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 Did say it don't work out for normal clay loads. If you can get hold of scrap lead and a shot maker then it's worth it. Your wife's 21g carts will be better value loading them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 10 hours ago, sitsinhedges said: John at FES should do components cheaper. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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