MBW Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 I have a benelli m2 which has the extended 8 shot tube on it, I've been Invited to do a bit of fowling with a new shooting buddy next season, as the benelli is my only steel proof gun, and I don't fancy shelling out on bismuth, was wondering if anyone knew if I could buy a crimped mag tube, swap it over and make my 8 shot into a 3 shot. Has anyone any experience with this? Would be interested to Know how you got on with licensing side of things, does the gun need to be held on both fac and sgc for example? As I would like to swap back and forth between 3 and 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 You might have just really helped me out, I have my 2 + 1 tube for my Franchi from when it was section 2 (now fac 7+1) and I assume that as my fac doesn’t specify shot count but just the gun there is no limit or no minimum cartridges it must hold. Great idea, I’ll watch this with interest. The only pain is putting the big tube back on as the spring is a pita to put back in (my justification for not cleaning) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 I have 8 shot M2 and you can't change the tube its fixed. Had a similar conversation when i brought it, it's FAC and that's it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 I didn't think you could legally change back and forth between S1 and S2, once a gun is S1 it stays S1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen tiger Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 You could make a dowel plug fit it in the extension as long as the gun is not capable of holding more than two in the mag AFAIK its legal as of the 1981 wildlife and countryside act. I have Fac but no FAC shotgun so not sure if it has conditions on your license or not restricting it from being used of wildfowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBenelliM1 Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 A friend just asked the very same question to our local licensing department, they told him once turned into a firearm section 1 shotgun it can never be classed as a section 2 shotgun again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, JDBenelliM1 said: A friend just asked the very same question to our local licensing department, they told him once turned into a firearm section 1 shotgun it can never be classed as a section 2 shotgun again Then how do gunsmiths get on with crimping mag tubes and re-proofing to turn a section 1 into section 2? I was looking at a Franchi AL48 on the "bargain bin" rack at Saddlery & Gunroom a short while ago, and was very tempted until I noticed it was S1. "No problem", they said, "we can do the crimp and re-proofing for £45". (Sort of regretting not buying it now 😟 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, JDBenelliM1 said: A friend just asked the very same question to our local licensing department, they told him once turned into a firearm section 1 shotgun it can never be classed as a section 2 shotgun again Not sure that’s correct for the reasons CaptainBeaky has stated, but if the OP’s shotgun is on his ticket classified as S1, I’m not sure that simply swapping for a restricted mag’ legally changes it to S2? Wouldn’t he technically still be using a S1 shotgun to shoot game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Scully said: Not sure that’s correct for the reasons CaptainBeaky has stated, but if the OP’s shotgun is on his ticket classified as S1, I’m not sure that simply swapping for a restricted mag’ legally changes it to S2? Wouldn’t he technically still be using a S1 shotgun to shoot game? Would have to agree as the serial no's will be registered as a fac Then if you came to sell who do you sell it to S1 or S2 By altering it from 8 to 3 and vise versa Technicaly you have two guns registered with the same serial number which might not go down too well with the FEO Think i would leave well alone and go out and buy a cheapy 3 shot 3 1/2" chamber semi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Certainly in our county there are conditions on S1 shotguns. Mine is only for Vermin, PSG and target competitions. Pretty sure wildfowl are not vermin 🤣 Also our authority is a stickler for once S1 always S1, reasoning being that if it’s capable of being S1 then it can be changed if it is a S2. Kind of odd logic but that’s what they say. As said above it is easier, and less stressful to get a S2 for wildfowling than to mess with the Benelli. Edited February 14, 2019 by The Burpster Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBW Posted February 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Thanks for everyone's input, on closer inspection my mag tube seems to be fixed so couldn't change it if I wanted to, but I did have reservations over the licensing side of things, looks like a trip to the gun shop for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 I would check with my FEO regarding conditions of use. With a “duck plug” fitted you would be honouring the wildfowl restriction. If you purchased a standard mag cap and fitted instead of your extension tube then a standard duck plug would limit you to two in the mag. Using your existing long spring would give you full power for cycling. The gun would look right for its secondary purpose. As an aside, S1 shotguns can be crimped, magazine permanently fixed (if not already), proofed and come back from the proof house as S2 with a certificate. Probably best to get an RFD to do it though. Going the other way is also possible, with a slight risk of weakening the magazine tube when removing the crimp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Going the 'other way' depends on the type of crimp, as some crimps are also slotted to prevent it being removed, and S1 to S2 isn't cheap, as like you say, it entails the actual work, a reproof plus postage both ways. I've had it done. I'm not sure of the legalities of swapping back and forth between S1 and S2, when the shotgun is registered as S1, but I doubt it's legit. Who is going to know you've restricted the mag'? Even with a mag' restriction it's still classed as a S1. For what difference it would make what is there to stop you simply loading three? im assuming the S1 will be conditioned ( mine is ) so whether it has a mag restriction or not, using it for purposes other than what it is conditioned for will mean the the user is in breach of those conditions, won’t it? Edited February 14, 2019 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Only problem Scully is if your on the foreshore with an FAC 8 shot semi How would you convince any authority that you were only putting 3 cartridges in the weapon at a time Looks like the OP MBW has decided to purchase an 3 shot semi Which is the best and cheapest option as i mentioned earlier With all the other threads relating to sgc and fac licencing authories with varying conditions I would aire on the side of precaution and stay within the parameters of the local feo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 hours ago, sabel25 said: Only problem Scully is if your on the foreshore with an FAC 8 shot semi How would you convince any authority that you were only putting 3 cartridges in the weapon at a time That’s what I mean, but which authority is going to be on the foreshore with you? But as I said, if it’s conditioned then it doesn’t matter how many cartridges you load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 hours ago, sabel25 said: Only problem Scully is if your on the foreshore with an FAC 8 shot semi How would you convince any authority that you were only putting 3 cartridges in the weapon at a time Looks like the OP MBW has decided to purchase an 3 shot semi Which is the best and cheapest option as i mentioned earlier With all the other threads relating to sgc and fac licencing authories with varying conditions I would aire on the side of precaution and stay within the parameters of the local feo 15 minutes ago, Scully said: That’s what I mean, but which authority is going to be on the foreshore with you? But as I said, if it’s conditioned then it doesn’t matter how many cartridges you load. I would hope the biggest problem might well be your fellow law abiding Wild-fowlers who would take a poor view of any one not obeying the conditions of FAC shotguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabel25 Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I would hope the biggest problem might well be your fellow law abiding Wild-fowlers who would take a poor view of any one not obeying the conditions of FAC shotguns. Well i have heard of wildfowlers up this way being checked for permits and checking cartridges ( bailiffs ) So might not look too good standing with an 8 shot semi hanging on your shoulder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 27 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I would hope the biggest problem might well be your fellow law abiding Wild-fowlers who would take a poor view of any one not obeying the conditions of FAC shotguns. Indeed, if there’s anyone else there. I’m not advocating anyone ignoring the conditions of their tickets, but I sincerely doubt changing the mag’ will keep it lawful either. The OP would be better suited to buying a 3” chambered S2 pump or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Scully said: Indeed, if there’s anyone else there. I’m not advocating anyone ignoring the conditions of their tickets, but I sincerely doubt changing the mag’ will keep it lawful either. The OP would be better suited to buying a 3” chambered S2 pump or whatever. I quite agree, a Section 2 weapon can be changed to a Section 1 as long as the FAC has a space to enter it upon. BUT it cannot go back to being a Section 2 ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I quite agree, a Section 2 weapon can be changed to a Section 1 as long as the FAC has a space to enter it upon. BUT it cannot go back to being a Section 2 ever! Sorry, but I’ve had a S1 shotgun converted to S2. It was a Winchester 1300XTR; not that that makes a difference, and as I’ve said, it incurs cost and time but it can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 Oh. okay happy to learn, must be quite a pain for you, the Gunsmith and the Licencing Team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Oh. okay happy to learn, must be quite a pain for you, the Gunsmith and the Licencing Team. Yes, it was. The most painful bit was that I sold it shortly afterwards! After all the expense! Edited February 15, 2019 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 Lessons learned then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildrover77 Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 All shotguns come into the country un crimped and so s1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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