ditchman Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 dont like her...........someone crowd fund ...to by a rat for her...so it can chew the warts off her eyelids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Harsh, but fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 Not long now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 i do soooo miss the brexit banter.......................the ups and the downs.....the despair and the euphoria........the smell of napalm in the morning...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 12, 2020 Report Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) I'm pretty sure it will all turn to "I told you so" if Boris doesn't get the EUs **** in gear! Edited January 12, 2020 by TIGHTCHOKE CAPITALISATION! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 16 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I'm pretty sure it will all turn to "I told you so" if Boris doesn't get the EUs **** in gear! Daniel Hannan writing in the Sunday Telegraph. You know how all the people who wanted a “People’s Vote” turned out to be Remainers? Well, I can’t help noticing that the same is true of those who say it will be impossible to strike a trade deal with the EU this year. Our underlying motives are not always the same as our stated concerns. The People’s Vote crowd may have talked in terms of “a final say” and “informed consent” and so on. But, deep down, all they really wanted was to stop Brexit by any means possible. Something similar is true of the trade deal pessimists. They may phrase their objections in terms of technical difficulties, sequencing, fisheries or whatever. But, au fond, they simply can’t stand the idea of Brexit working. This feeling might be partly subconscious. Everyone now accepts – three-and-a-half years too late – that Brexit is happening. The various continuity Remain campaigns have wound up. No one is arguing for a second referendum. But that doesn’t stop some Europhiles feeling resentful. They may no longer aim to stop Brexit; but they want to stop it succeeding. To be clear, I am not talking about the majority of Remainers. Most of the 48 per cent accepted the referendum result with good grace. Many voted Remain because they were concerned about a short-term economic hit, and were delighted when the predicted downturn failed to materialise. But there is a spiteful minority. A YouGov survey in 2017 found that one in five Remainers believed that “significant damage to the UK economy is a price worth paying to teach Leave politicians and Leave voters a lesson”. These, by and large, are the people who can’t bear the thought of a mutually beneficial deal with the EU. And, to the extent that they are over-represented in Parliament, the civil service and the media, their petulance matters. Consider, for example, the uncritical way in which Ursula von der Leyen was received this week when she said that a comprehensive deal in 2020 was “basically impossible”. This has very quickly become the Remain party line, repeated by Michel Barnier and delightedly disseminated by the EU’s allies and auxiliaries in Britain. It’s worth looking at what the EU has actually promised. The Political Declaration attached to the Withdrawal Agreement is unambiguous. “It is the clear intent of both parties to develop in good faith agreements giving effect to this relationship … such that they can come into force by the end of 2020”. Evidently not impossible, then. The agreement goes on to specify that the Commission will apply these agreements on a provisional basis, pending ratification by the 27 remaining states. There is, in other words, absolutely no reason why the UK and the EU could not agree a comprehensive deal covering goods, services and intergovernmental cooperation by the end of the year. Britain negotiated precisely such a deal with Switzerland in a few short months – despite some pressure from Brussels on the Swiss not to cooperate. The question is not whether a deal is feasible; it’s whether the EU wants one. Already, Eurocrats are setting preconditions as if they were laws of nature. “Without the free movement of people, you cannot have the free movement of capital, goods and services,” says von der Leyen. Really? The EU (with the exception of Britain, Ireland and Sweden, which opened their doors) suspended free movement of people when the post-communist countries joined in 2004. Indeed, the importance of the Four Freedoms, so sacralised in Brussels, rests on little more than alliteration. The phrase was used in a different context by Franklin D Roosevelt in 1941, and was then turned into four famous paintings by Norman Rockwell. But there is no logical imperative for trade agreements to involve the free movement of people: they don’t anywhere else in the world. Does Brussels truly want a mutually beneficial deal? It is natural for the residual empire to feel resentful when a province breaks away, but such resentment ends up being self-defeating. Britain overcame its umbrage when the Americans declared independence, opening its ports to US trade. When the Irish Free State went its own way, the UK continued to offer Irish citizens free movement, benefit entitlements and the right to vote. All turned out to be wise decisions from a British perspective. It remains to be seen whether the pragmatism of the 27 EU national capitals will overcome the testiness in Brussels. But the readiness of some British Remainers to cheer any EU position, however self-contradictory, unreasonable or peevish, is not helping. In the meantime, the British economy is picking up. It is now undeniable that what was deterring investment was not the prospect of Brexit, but the prospect of Corbyn. A survey of business opinion by Deloitte finds the biggest surge in optimism ever recorded. Last month, employers increased their number of new permanent staff for the first time in a year. Blackstone, the asset management mammoth, believes Britain will be the only European economy to outperform Asia and the US. This would be good news for the EU, which would benefit from having a wealthy neighbour. But don’t expect to see Britain’s Europhile hardliners cheering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 Daniel puts it better than I could! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 It's just a trade agreement..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 No flags for you pigdog! Said in a dodgy German accent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No flags for you pigdog! Said in a dodgy German accent! dumkoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 Saurkraut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 I must dig out those old bird scarer cartridges I have somewhere..... the time is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yes, I might launch something skywards at the moment of leaving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 13, 2020 Report Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Saurkraut! pig dog.........ugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 I see the house of Lords have started to debate the Government bill for Brexit and some of the woeful remainers are attempting to slow things down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 How the world really works. http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87486 The hopelessness of Britain's elected government is going to do terrible damage to the country. These people seem hell bent on taking the UK into some kind of economic Year Zero scenario that bears no relationship at all to how the actual globalized world of trade operates . And it begs the question - what is their objective? Are they genuinely as ignorant as they appear or is there some hidden agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Retsdon said: How the world really works. http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87486 The hopelessness of Britain's elected government is going to do terrible damage to the country. These people seem hell bent on taking the UK into some kind of economic Year Zero scenario that bears no relationship at all to how the actual globalized world of trade operates . And it begs the question - what is their objective? Are they genuinely as ignorant as they appear or is there some hidden agenda? 4 paragraphs in I gave up. After hes called each member of the government tasked with Brexit an idiot, at least once, one wonders why Mr North isnt running the country instead of our elected ? Maybe he thinks we are all idiots too, but I digress.. Is it me, or is he somewhat biased toward remain perchance ?😂 Does he not understand, that in a democracy, the majority of the people decide on a nations general direction ? Maybe he believes that we would be better off having a dictator to better navigate the path into the 21st century ? Perhaps he would like the job 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Is it me, or is he somewhat biased toward remain perchance ? Read the man's history. He was campaigning to leave the EU before you'd ever given it a thought. But he's in despair at how this pack of clowns are proposing to set about what is an extremely complex undertaking. And actually, you owe it to yourself to read beyond four paragraphs. You'll learn something. Edited January 14, 2020 by Retsdon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Read the man's history. He was campaigning to leave the EU before you'd ever given it a thought. But he's in despair at how this pack of clowns are proposing to set about what is an extremely complex undertaking. His style must be infectious 😂 Perhaps this 'pack of clowns' that just won a massive majority , due to us ELECTING them , might be allowed to do the the JOB , we voted them in to do , 3 TIMES ! Without nomark, has been bloggers telling them, and us , we are doing it all wrong. You listen to the man if you must, but dont try and elevate him to some kind of prophet status, if he was any good , he would be working in government NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: You listen to the man if you must, but dont try and elevate him to some kind of prophet status, He's not a prophet - he's just someone who has taken the time and put in the hard work to educate himself. And the country would be in a far better position today if our elected representatives and media pundits had done the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 More good cognac wasted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) Brexit is now about Britain telling the EU what we are going to do, its no longer about asking their permission to do it. Its really not as complicated as all these prophets of doom are trying to make it look. Edited January 14, 2020 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 And still the Remoaners try to stop the democratic process! Shame on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: More good cognac wasted? Wasted? Every little sip was appreciated to the hilt. But not tonight. 3 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Brexit is now about Britain telling the EU what we are going to do, its no longer about asking their permission to do it. Read the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Retsdon said: He's not a prophet - he's just someone who has taken the time and put in the hard work to educate himself. And the country would be in a far better position today if our elected representatives and media pundits had done the same thing. Hes also a fairly prominent climate change denier. Do you agree with him on that too ? His theory on how best to exit the EU misses out on one crucial point, Brussels would never let it happen, so its all moot. If he had any balance to his view , then he would see, that this is one of only two ways we can extract ourselves from the bloc, the other is a hard WTO Brexit. 7 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Brexit is now about Britain telling the EU what we are going to do, its no longer about asking their permission to do it. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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