Benefit cheats & other scum

[pavman]

Permission to rant,

 

Out with the dogs last night and little toe rags blocking the path sat round with tins of larger and whacky baccy I am sure none have a job

 

I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to get that pay cheque when I work as a company manager and I am required to Pass a random urine test for drugs, with which I have no problem

 

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't you have to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

 

Please understand I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet or assisting folk from other EU countries.

 

I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their *** drinking beer & smoking dope (like the toe rags on the estate near me)

 

Could you imagine how much money the country would save if people had to pass a drugs urine test to get their benefit cheque?

 

Just a thought

 

Something has to change in this country, and soon!

[LEFTY478]

So, in essence, you are suggesting that people that have been 'taking the (Errm) urine' out of the system, should be forced to give some back? I'd support that proposition.

[pin]

Imagine how much better it would be if we just handed out the bad jobs to these people, no choice beyond do it or no money.

 

Everyone deserves at least one decent chance in their lives, those who take it move on, those who don't deserve to live in the gutter.

[Cranfield]

The only problem with your suggestion pin, is that we would have to pay for them to live in the gutter.

 

The crux of the problem is that we have created a dependency culture.

People realise at an early age that if they know the system, all will be provided.

 

From the teen pregnancy , just to get a council home, to the illegal immigrant that gets advice on what to claim, from Government funded advisers, both can claim from a system they have made no contributions to.

 

Its not only the young and immigrants, I know of healthy adult males fiddling the Motability scheme, claiming "Carers Allowance" and working a few days for cash, you can even include those not paying road tax and car insurance, they are all adding to our costs.

 

I will help anybody, but I do want to see a sign and commitment that they are trying to help themselves.

[pin]

The problem is this constant "bail you out" safety net catch-all culture.

 

Do as you please, worst case prison, more likely you will get a free education, handouts galore, a roof over your head and no end of sympathy.

 

There is nothing these people are scared of, nothing to prevent them from taking the **** all the time. They have nothing to loose so they have everything to gain.

 

If I don't pay my car tax I will end up with a £1000 fine, if Mr Scumbag with no license, tax, mot, insurance and a stolen car is caught what happens? Driving ban? He didn't have a license and never intended getting one, fine? He can't pay he's on benefits! More expensive insurance? He never had any.

 

Same as always, we pay up and get the **** taken out of us.

 

Simple way to stop it, make the penalty for taking the **** something they are actually scared of. I can only think of one thing, forced hard labour to work off their debt to society until paid. If you knew that getting caught taking the **** meant 12 hours a day 6 days a week back breaking forced manual labour for no pay with enough basic nutrition to keep you productive with no free time to see your mates until you pay up fair and square for all you have done - you would think twice about taking the ****.

[Mungler]

Do the Yanks operate a system of food stamps to stop people spending government handouts on drugs and the like?

 

Completely agree with your sentiments there Pavman. Why not random drug tests? The police have this new "real time" drug analysis kit you have to give a clean reading before you get your dosh.

 

The whole system needs sorting out, but as Cranfield says it's the endemic culture of "no personal responsibility" that needs fixing first.

[Devilishdave]

I beleive that if youe become unemployed you should be given six weeks grace of benafit similar to the wages you were on. This buffer time will allow you to get your self out there to get another job at an apropriate level for your abilities. After that your benifit should be cut substantialy each month until after six months you are only making just enough to keep a roof over oyur head and eat basic food from lidl or similar. It might sound harsh but it will put a rocket up the **** of the unemployed and get them back in to work.

 

Disability is a diferant thing altogether. I beleive that people who are genuinely disabled and in receipt of benifits should continue to be so. These people should have their disability confirmed by an indipendant doctor who does not work or live in the local area.

 

There is no excuse for unemployment in the UK at the rate we are importing migrant workers!

 

Dave

[starlight32]

Permission to rant,

 

Out with the dogs last night and little toe rags blocking the path sat round with tins of larger and whacky baccy I am sure none have a job

 

I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to get that pay cheque when I work as a company manager and I am required to Pass a random urine test for drugs, with which I have no problem

 

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't you have to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

 

Please understand I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet or assisting folk from other EU countries.

 

I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their *** drinking beer & smoking dope (like the toe rags on the estate near me)

 

Could you imagine how much money the country would save if people had to pass a drugs urine test to get their benefit cheque?

 

Just a thought

 

Something has to change in this country, and soon!

 

I do have a problem with that Pavman- People need to get themselves back on their feet as does anyone from the EU countries.

I know many a successful person who actively looks for ways and means of getting their bit back

from society as lets face it, we get absolutely nothing

In my line of business as well as many of us on this forum who work in the construction industry we find ourselves in and out of contract employment. I have never had anything back out of the state in the last 15 years since I finished my apprenticeship- but have had many a time out of work.

 

Regards starlight32

[verminer]

The problem is this constant "bail you out" safety net catch-all culture.

 

Do as you please, worst case prison, more likely you will get a free education, handouts galore, a roof over your head and no end of sympathy.

 

There is nothing these people are scared of, nothing to prevent them from taking the **** all the time. They have nothing to loose so they have everything to gain.

 

If I don't pay my car tax I will end up with a £1000 fine, if Mr Scumbag with no license, tax, mot, insurance and a stolen car is caught what happens? Driving ban? He didn't have a license and never intended getting one, fine? He can't pay he's on benefits! More expensive insurance? He never had any.

 

Same as always, we pay up and get the **** taken out of us.

 

Simple way to stop it, make the penalty for taking the **** something they are actually scared of. I can only think of one thing, forced hard labour to work off their debt to society until paid. If you knew that getting caught taking the **** meant 12 hours a day 6 days a week back breaking forced manual labour for no pay with enough basic nutrition to keep you productive with no free time to see your mates until you pay up fair and square for all you have done - you would think twice about taking the ****.

 

Pin, if you want to stand for Prime Minister you defineatly have my vote and probably a few million others.

[henry d]

In my line of business as well as many of us on this forum who work in the construction industry we find ourselves in and out of contract employment. I have never had anything back out of the state in the last 15 years since I finished my apprenticeship- but have had many a time out of work.

 

 

I`ll be in a similar situation in a few years when I retire, I won`t be able to claim unemployment benefit even though I`ve been in almost continuous employment since 1977, because I have left a job. Living near a less than perfect council estate I see the same kinds of people that P relates above, one of whom used to beg handouts for drink as well as the money she was given from the social for being unemployed and an alcoholic. When she died the Salvation army gave her a full send off and funeral, just because she was "A colourful character". I don`t think there will ever be a solution, even as good and simple as the one above is.

 

I think I`ll just become a full time beater, seasonal of course.

[chunk]

I`ve never drawn the dole or any other kind of benefits, and i`ve done some **** jobs to tide me over on occasion. To qualify for dole handouts the able bodied among them should be doing things like ditch clearing, digging out choked up streams and ponds, picking up litter from the beach. These are jobs that dont get done or volunteers do them. Is it such a hardship that they get off their ***** and do a bit in return for free money?

I for one, finding myself out of work, would have no problem with a bit of graft.

[Stu S]

My personal take on this is pretty similar, but from a different angle.

 

Everyone is aware of the human rights act, yes? Well, in a nutshell that act spells out how and how not to treat a human being, and what constitutes an infringement of their human rights.

 

In my opinion, they missed out a rather important piece when they wrote that act. And including that piece would make the legislation title 'Human Rights & RESPONSIBILITIES Act'.

 

I am of the opinion that if a human being does not take responsibility for their actions or lack of actions, that they should automatically forefeit their human rights. This may sound harsh, but think for a second before judging.

 

Stu

[chunk]

My personal take on this is pretty similar, but from a different angle.

 

Everyone is aware of the human rights act, yes? Well, in a nutshell that act spells out how and how not to treat a human being, and what constitutes an infringement of their human rights.

 

In my opinion, they missed out a rather important piece when they wrote that act. And including that piece would make the legislation title 'Human Rights & RESPONSIBILITIES Act'.

 

I am of the opinion that if a human being does not take responsibility for their actions or lack of actions, that they should automatically forefeit their human rights. This may sound harsh, but think for a second before judging.

 

Stu

 

Spot on Stu.

[NorfolkBoy]

Do the Yanks operate a system of food stamps to stop people spending government handouts on drugs and the like?

 

They do operate a benefit system based on vouchers, so no one is going too hungry.

 

If you want to compare the US to the UK's welfare state then the UK is a nice big king size bed with a feather mattress and fluffy pillows while the US system is more like a sleeping bag.

[markbivvy]

Something has to change in this country, and soon!

 

oh i do hope your right.

[al4x]

but i somehow doubt it

[Pushkin]

There was a time - not so long ago - when people helped each other and looked out for each other as well. That was the time when you could go out and leave your door unlocked and nobody would dream of taking advantage of that fact.

Nowadays the UK seeems to be so filled with people who know all their rights and get government support to ensure they get these. The government doesn't want to see jail inmate figures go up so they set targets for the jail governers to meet - or they are penalised - made to move on as the saying goes.

 

The government; and it seems to be any party at present, do not want other countries seeing they are not being effective in running the country - so they spew out all these massaged figures in statisitics - after they have made sure it shows a positive side of their governance. What they don't tell you - us - them - is that the underclass (as I call them) have got the government in a corner and nothing is being done about it. Lets face it - when the prime minister decides to follow his yankee pal and ends up finding he is at the pointy end himself - does he do the honourable and noble thing of declaring he is an imbecile and step down - or does he go on kidding himself and the nation that he is some kind of super leader (what he would dearly like to have been seen as). How many chances did we the electorate give him? Far too many for my liking.

 

So now we have a government that is following the chav's behaviour - it wasn't me guv - a big boy did it and ran away - you can't accuse me of that - I know my rights!

 

Sorry if this offends but I think all those underclass could (should ) have been made to attend to the flood areas: giving the services additional support and manpower to help the victims of what basically amounts to government inaction over the last 30 to 40 years in getting the flood plain issue sorted out and flood defences built up.

 

Aw geez - now I'm in a right ****** of a mood :(

 

Pushkin.

[john faul]

:(

[chunk]

The present government support the workshy, feckless, criminal underclass and wont do anything to upset them. Why upset your natural voters?