DorsetBlue Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Okay, here is a slightly weird question. If you were to use one of these in a old (no back boring etc) cylinder choke 410 shotgun: https://www.gunadapters.com/410-to-209-muzzle-loading-adapter-1/ Would you then be able to legally use that shotgun to fire patched roundballs using BP (or subs) at a cleared shooting range on an SGC, essentially temporarily converting it into a .410 musket? I am wondering if this would come under the same exclusion as smoothbore muskets or whether the temporary status of the adapter would prevent that exclusion being valid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Yes you are quite correct, that is a slightly weird question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 What exclusion ? It would turn a section 2 into a section 1. The firearms act makes no mention of temporary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DorsetBlue Posted November 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just now, GingerCat said: What exclusion ? It would turn a section 2 into a section 1. The firearms act makes no mention of temporary. You can hold a muzzle loading smoothbore musket under SGC but fire single ball projectiles (i.e. what would be considered a slug if in a cartridge) at suitable shooting ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 44 minutes ago, DorsetBlue said: You can hold a muzzle loading smoothbore musket under SGC but fire single ball projectiles (i.e. what would be considered a slug if in a cartridge) at suitable shooting ranges. Are you sure about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 I know people at our club have muzzle loaders on SGC and shoot solid balls for target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: I know people at our club have muzzle loaders on SGC and shoot solid balls for target. Sadly this doesn’t make it legal 😉 best option for the OP is to phone his local firearms office and ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Sadly this doesn’t make it legal 😉 best option for the OP is to phone his local firearms office and ask I could be wrong as they all have FAC as well, and I may have misunderstood when they mentioned SGC maybe they were just saying that you could hold them on a SGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Old farrier said: best option for the OP is to phone his local firearms office and ask Will they know? I’ve been given some real bum information from my local cop shop regarding firearms law. Personally I’d ask your shooting organisation. I know the NGO have a good legal expert on hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 My FEO is around tomorrow I’ll ask him see what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 He will most likely say the ammo is sec 1 and they hold it on a sec 1 as that's what the firearms act says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 I would agree that there’s not single sgc exemptions but I’ll ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) I believe that a smoothbore musket, held on a sec 2 cert can be used to shoot a single ball on approved ranges - However I guess this only applies to a muzzle loading musket, not a shotgun that you happen to load from the muzzle end. Personally I would ask the MLGB.....I fact I've just had a look: https://forums.mlagb.com/showthread.php?tid=298&highlight=Shooting+ball Edited November 5, 2019 by 1066 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 The adapter clearly states its for shot only, not slugs. So will change a shotgun into a slightly less efficient shot gun, not a musket. I image its intended use is to allow a standard shotgun to be used on muzzle loader only hunting dates in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DorsetBlue Posted November 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 22 hours ago, Lord v said: The adapter clearly states its for shot only, not slugs. So will change a shotgun into a slightly less efficient shot gun, not a musket. I image its intended use is to allow a standard shotgun to be used on muzzle loader only hunting dates in the USA. Ah didn't spot that. The reason for the round ball 'exception' is that the round ball is not ammo. Ammo is only ammo when the parts are put together into a cartridge or round. In a muzzleloader, that doesn't happen as it is still a collection of parts in the barrel.....apparently. To answer the why, for interest, I saw an Enfield Mk4 410 shotgun that was available and I thought the adapter may have been a way of giving it a life at the range whilst still being Section 2 (Section 1, you might as well get a 303 or 410 slugs). My FAC application is going in shortly but I thought it might have been something to shoot until I can get my BP revolver etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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