clangerman Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, southeastpete said: The game shoots should be he ones pushing game meat to the public. They are the ones making huge sums of money from killing the bloody things. They should never be dumping them. They should turn them into products which will a) enhance their profit and b) enhance the saleability. instead of trying to sell birds in the feather they should turn them into curries and pies and bags of diced etc etc they should also put some of their huge profits into advertising game meat and making it more common place. but it seems they aren’t really bothered as they still get paid either way 🤷♂️ So when would you be happy to give up lead? and why are you being so weird about this. You’re like a child. No one has said you have to stop using lead. And in 5 years time it might not even happen. And if it does and there is a suitable alternative, then it doesn’t matter because there will be a suitable alternative! there is a negligible chance that in 5 years a legal ban will be slapped in place immediately and still no alternative, in which case yes that will be bad. But it’s so unlikely, and that’s what you’re crying about. how old are you out of curiosity? firstly way to old for you to be calling me a child sonny as for the steel i already have some and slowly using it this post would not even exist had basc not called for a ban after over fifty years pigeon shooting with lead and having been shot up the backside with lead i should have a slight idea of its range against steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, clangerman said: basc affects my sport and i’m supposed to suck it up? no chance! Well you have no choice really? I can’t see what you (or any other individual, for that matter) can effectively do about it?..........Continual sniping and gnashing your teeth is pointless, it’s just ******* in the wind! You can always leave BASC and join another representative shooting organisation, in order to get your voice heard..........but that would leave you in the same situation, as it seems most of shootings representative bodies are party to, and supportive of, the proposals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, panoma1 said: Well you have no choice really? I can’t see what you (or any other individual, for that matter) can effectively do about it?..........Continual sniping and gnashing your teeth is pointless, it’s just ******* in the wind! You can always leave BASC and join another representative shooting organisation, in order to get your voice heard..........but that would leave you in the same situation, as it seems most of shootings representative bodies are party to, and supportive of, the proposals? your right that’s my point all i can do is suck it up i stopped funding basc for this very reason basc make decisions we have no say in and shooters would not have allowed this stupidity to take place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 hours ago, JJsDad said: Thanks panoma; you are perfectly correct. Scully copied the sentence and I in turn copied from him. Scully, apologies. My post incorrecty named you. The quote should have been attributed to Clangerman. No worries. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 45 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Would you know what shops nationwide would be stocking them? no but sure they would tell you. Pinewood sold the lead LAs and think cecil coates waplode might deal with jokers too. Now he could be worth a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Well you have no choice really? I can’t see what you (or any other individual, for that matter) can effectively do about it?..........Continual sniping and gnashing your teeth is pointless, it’s just ******* in the wind! You can always leave BASC and join another representative shooting organisation, in order to get your voice heard..........but that would leave you in the same situation, as it seems most of shootings representative bodies are party to, and supportive of, the proposals? Oh! I don't know, there's 3 lndividuals that got together and they're doing an awful lot of damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, wymberley said: Oh! I don't know, there's 3 lndividuals that got together and they're doing an awful lot of damage. Got lucky on the GLs, and lets face facts its easier to smash a shed down than it is to build it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, lancer425 said: no but sure they would tell you. Pinewood sold the lead LAs and think cecil coates waplode might deal with jokers too. Now he could be worth a ring. Cecyl usually has Jokkers and he is open on Saturday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, clangerman said: your right that’s my point all i can do is suck it up i stopped funding basc for this very reason basc make decisions we have no say in and shooters would not have allowed this stupidity to take place But as a shooter! I don’t know whether I would have supported the “stupidity” or not!...........firstly I would need to know the reasons and driving forces and have the arguments for and against explained to me, before I could make an informed decision............the criticism I have, is that I have been disenfranchised, I was neither informed, consulted, given an explanation, or allowed to express my opinion, by any of the shooting organisations!....now its too late! So we are where we are.........it will serve no purpose banging on about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, clangerman said: basc affects my sport and i’m supposed to suck it up? no chance! How have they done this exactly. ? Its not going to stop me going out tomorrow with lead, how is it stopping you. ? I do not understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Got lucky on the GLs, and lets face facts its easier to smash a shed down than it is to build it. Oh! I don't know, the target for the main thrust of this moratorium is pretty much pre-fabricated; all you have to do is turn up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, wymberley said: Oh! I don't know, there's 3 lndividuals that got together and they're doing an awful lot of damage. Easy to do, if someone other than yourself is funding it!.......win, lose or draw......it costs you nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Easy to do, if someone other than yourself is funding it!.......win, lose or draw......it costs you nothing! Yep. I see the smiley was missing. Even when it appeared on my original post it didn't work so I thought I'd try two next and see if that did the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, lancer425 said: How have they done this exactly. ? Its not going to stop me going out tomorrow with lead, how is it stopping you. ? I do not understand. i said it affects me not stops me nothing does that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, clangerman said: i said it affects me not stops me nothing does that Careful Coronavirus may put the whole country in lockdown very soon, then we could get to a 100 pages plus of posts lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, rbrowning2 said: Careful Coronavirus may put the whole country in lockdown very soon, then we could get to a 100 pages plus of posts lol unfortunately got a condition so already isolated I prefer the dog to most people under fifty so not bothered to much unless it stops me going out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 I’ve just seen in an article by the Telegraph (July 2019) that Waitrose will only sell game shot with non toxic shot in the coming 2020/21 season from estates that meet there high standards. Maybe room for a bit more thought on regulation as to what lead can be used on, vermin or own consumption etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, 8 shot said: I’ve just seen in an article by the Telegraph (July 2019) that Waitrose will only sell game shot with non toxic shot in the coming 2020/21 season from estates that meet there high standards. Maybe room for a bit more thought on regulation as to what lead can be used on, vermin or own consumption etc. Now i do use lead in fox loads buffered and through a Turkey choke. " Briley straight rifled INVX10 ported." I do like my shot gunning fox i use rifles but like the shotgun too. I drop my own Lead for crows pigeon loads and i would love to keep Lead for qwn consumption and vermin like fox a perfect example really. But although it would suit me , and many others its still lead and we are putting it into the environment . Its not the way to do things. We have to move on at some point. And its not like your entering uncarted waters, wildfowlers have navigated these waters for years with no ship wrecks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Now i do use lead in fox loads buffered and through a Turkey choke. " Briley straight rifled INVX10 ported." I do like my shot gunning fox i use rifles but like the shotgun too. I drop my own Lead for crows pigeon loads and i would love to keep Lead for qwn consumption and vermin like fox a perfect example really. But although it would suit me , and many others its still lead and we are putting it into the environment . Its not the way to do things. We have to move on at some point. And its not like your entering uncarted waters, wildfowlers have navigated these waters for years with no ship wrecks. Ah.... so now we are using some common sense and finding some common ground it will be interesting to see how there game sells, none on there game section at the mo. Lead in the ground is really a non event, far worse going in and coming out and not shootings fault for a change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Now i do use lead in fox loads buffered and through a Turkey choke. " Briley straight rifled INVX10 ported." I do like my shot gunning fox i use rifles but like the shotgun too. I drop my own Lead for crows pigeon loads and i would love to keep Lead for qwn consumption and vermin like fox a perfect example really. But although it would suit me , and many others its still lead and we are putting it into the environment . Its not the way to do things. We have to move on at some point. And its not like your entering uncarted waters, wildfowlers have navigated these waters for years with no ship wrecks. so from that i take it that you have already stopped using lead,if not then you are a hypocrite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, andrewluke said: so from that i take it that you have already stopped using lead,if not then you are a hypocrite No i have not stopped using it entirely i doubt many have at this moment in time . But i am trying to organise a practical move away from lead, and i am not wasting this transition period. How about you. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, 8 shot said: Ah.... so now we are using some common sense and finding some common ground it will be interesting to see how there game sells, none on there game section at the mo. Lead in the ground is really a non event, far worse going in and coming out and not shootings fault for a change It is still Lead on the ground or in the vmeat, we need to move away from it. Just because its what we always did and what we liked to do, its also effecting others and poisoning others. If not right now in years to come. There is no safe limit for lead in humans, its all bad. Other creatures are the same. its not a nice material to be around if its familiar to us or not. It has to go if we use this time to prepare it will be a smooth trouble free transition. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 hours ago, lancer425 said: No i have not stopped using it entirely i doubt many have at this moment in time . But i am trying to organise a practical move away from lead, and i am not wasting this transition period. How about you. ? Gordon Bennet, just had a deja vu moment! I was a little lad and some grown up was telling me not to do what he does but what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, wymberley said: Gordon Bennet, just had a deja vu moment! I was a little lad and some grown up was telling me not to do what he does but what he says. I will use up what lead loads i have a hand full of 10 bore AA foxing loads. and nearly a case of Joker LAs and a half a case of RC SIPE. and some reloads and odds and ends. and i have a few killo of bigger shot not huge amounts i will probably melt into fishing weights , but EHCA are after them too. even for sea angling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 So how will replacing lead with steel in the ground help. I understand birds picking it up, but a belly full of steel can't be healthy either, I always thought rust was toxic to. Just playing devils advocate here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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