button Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, andrewluke said: well i didn't get much from BASC(in fact nothing),yes i bash BASC because i think they deserve it others may think different and they are welcome to try to defend them,not a problem Are you still a member? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, enfieldspares said: +1. Those that think voluntarily surrendering lead shot and throwing everybody else under the bus for the sake of the "big bag" boys trying to justify excessive putting down birds as "they sell it the pheasants to Waitrose" are following a false star. Wild Justice oppose grouse shooting per se...regardless of if the grouse are shot with lead or non-toxic. Wild Justice oppose releasing reared game per se...regardless of if it is shot with lead or non-toxic. Voluntary banning lead shot won't change it. Indeed even if a legal ban on lead shot were enacted by Parliament on lead it wouldn't change those two aims of Wild Justice. A voluntary ban on lead shot offers no benefit to most of us. It is simply the delusional equivalent paying of "Danegeld" with base metal instead of noble metal. As you’ve posted this in two different threads, I’ll reply with the same response I did as in the other thread. WJ oppose ALL killing for sport, and those that think the cessation of driven shooting will save their particular type of killing for sport are naive in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB7 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Old farrier said: Could you be kind enough to tell me the difference between a big bag boy on a day shooting 500 between 8 and you going out shooting 100 pigeon a day wj don’t like shooting if you don’t support the whole of shooting they will start at the top or bottom and nibble away at it ia a voluntary ban on plastic wads and lead shot over 5 years transition period such a bad thing for the majority? or would you prefer a instant ban on it with no time to develop new loads Why would there be an instant ban? Until their statement last month all the org's were in agreement with 'no evidence, no ban' or whatever the slogan was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 hours ago, enfieldspares said: Nobody as far as I know breeds and releases pigeons. It is a wild bird. And it is a pest species. Putting down any amount of pheasants isn't a problem if the acreage of land is what would be said to be sufficient to naturally....with an amount of feeding...sustain a reasonable density of birds. The reality is that the for the "big bag" boys pheasants have become little more than feather bearing clay pigeons and the land is excessively stocked with these things beyond any reasonable density that then gives credence to the likes of Packham et al claiming that an artificial monoculture (of pheasant) has been imposed on the immediate environment. Of course they’re feathered clay pigeons; it’s shooting for sport, for crying out loud! It’s business, BIG business! It has nothing to do with a brace or two for the table; they’re paying lots and lots of money to shoot as many challenging birds as possible, for entertainment! Why do you think there are shoots supplying ‘extreme bird days’ or ‘big bag days’? Because there are people willing to pay to do so; they’re just catering to a demand. It is big business. Bear in mind though, before anyone rushes in to claim the higher moral ground, that they’re doing it for exactly the same reason you or I shoot...because they enjoy it. Like I’ve said many a time on here; if you’re not enjoying yourself then STOP DOING IT! No one is forcing you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, BrowningB7 said: Why would there be an instant ban? Until their statement last month all the org's were in agreement with 'no evidence, no ban' or whatever the slogan was. Sorry should have said the government could put a instant ban on it it’s far easier to ban than work for a mutual agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 59 minutes ago, button said: Are you still a member? why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, andrewluke said: why? who needs to be a member you can suffer from basc bright ideas for free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, clangerman said: who needs to be a member you can suffer from basc bright ideas for free Or maybe there bright idea bought 5 years transition time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 hours ago, clangerman said: you can put as few or as many down as you like the difference is game shooting has no justification it’s seen as purely fun from outside where’s pigeon shooting is justified on both damage and as a free food source You make ridiculous arguments. 3 hours ago, clangerman said: take the stick from the antis that would be a first as for legislation we can make our own rules now until we come up with a way to justify game shooting to the public the end is just a waiting game What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Or maybe there bright idea bought 5 years transition time 10 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Or maybe there bright idea bought 5 years transition time if there is not a steel/plastic free/comparable performance to lead cartridge by the end of the 5 years will BASC ask for an extension?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, motty said: You make ridiculous arguments. simply a statement of fact just calling it as it is game shooters enjoy shooting birds in the same way i do but i have some justification for doing so where is their justification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB7 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 45 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Sorry should have said the government could put a instant ban on it it’s far easier to ban than work for a mutual agreement Yes... Although, like after the general licence being pulled, I would hope enough of us (and our representatives) would kick up enough fuss to why lead should remain until all the evidence is gathered and points of view are considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, andrewluke said: if there is not a steel/plastic free/comparable performance to lead cartridge by the end of the 5 years will BASC ask for an extension?? Ask for an extension? Ask who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, andrewluke said: if there is not a steel/plastic free/comparable performance to lead cartridge by the end of the 5 years will BASC ask for an extension?? How would I know? there’s a alternative now if-you’re prepared to load your own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, clangerman said: simply a statement of fact just calling it as it is game shooters enjoy shooting birds in the same way i do but i have some justification for doing so where is their justification? Facts? You are dealing in mere opinion! You sound like a weird anti. 4 minutes ago, BrowningB7 said: Yes... Although, like after the general licence being pulled, I would hope enough of us (and our representatives) would kick up enough fuss to why lead should remain until all the evidence is gathered and points of view are considered. You are forgetting the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, clangerman said: simply a statement of fact just calling it as it is game shooters enjoy shooting birds in the same way ido buti have some justification for doing so where is their justification? Unless they are your crops you're protecting you have no justification whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, CharlieT said: Unless they are your crops you're protecting you have no justification whatsoever. i have justification because it’s a FACT if i don’t shoot them the farmer will call in someone else 4 minutes ago, motty said: Facts? You are dealing in mere opinion! You sound like a weird anti. You are forgetting the bigger picture. ANTI? no need to get personal lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, clangerman said: basc eley thread says it ALL mate anyone innocent would stump up PROOF not just keep repeating statement! statement! like a parrot it’s ridiculous You're the parrot! What evidence are you looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB7 Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, motty said: Facts? You are dealing in mere opinion! You sound like a weird anti. You are forgetting the bigger picture. You are forgetting the bigger picture? Remind me, iv lost the trail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, motty said: Ask for an extension? Ask who? do you think lead won't go in 5yrs at the latest now BASC has given it 5yrs?,i think it'll be gone before then,BASC have now agreed with all the antis when it comes to lead, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, motty said: You're the parrot! What evidence are you looking for? simple let’s have basc and the makers on here if there’s nothing to hide both should rush to oblige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Old farrier said: How would I know? there’s a alternative now if-you’re prepared to load your own are you real!,so everyone should now home load, i'm alright jack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 I would council caution about attacking game shooting or attacking steel shot. Remember this is a public forum and those opposed to shooting can see all you post. Just imagine for a moment if what you have posted appears on a web page of an organisation opposed to shooting, with a caption along the lines of 'even shooters are opposed to game shooting' what will you do then? Andrew, your constant attacks on BASC are pointless and not helping anyone, I know you will keep doing it because you can't see the bigger picture, but just think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, clangerman said: simply a statement of fact just calling it as it is game shooters enjoy shooting birds in the same way i do but i have some justification for doing so where is their justification? They don’t need justification anymore than you do. Why would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 23, 2020 Report Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Scully said: They don’t need justification anymore than you do. Why would they? because unfortunately we have nuts who think it’s unacceptable to shoot for enjoyment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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