Raja Clavata Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Retsdon said: Well, whatever gordon, you're right and most of contemporary musical opinion is wrong. My thing about John Prine is less about the music (although he's generally recognized as one of the great song writers of the late 20th century) than it is about him being such an essentially good person. His morality just shines thought his stuff and as far as he can he's trying to pushe the world into being a better place. But I don't expect you to understand that...so no problem. I suspect you may have been trolled - be sure to take the appropriate medicine ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, henry d said: Here's a good Article Yes, good article but none the wiser really 👍 Dunno if you saw the youtube video posted here or on a related thread but I'm still getting my head around the statement "The Fox news reporting makes the most sense" - the guy actually said it at least twice so I know I wasn't imagining it. God help us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52310194 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) hello, i have said before in another post, Chinese people have been eating animals including bats for very many years that we in the west find abhorrent. so why only now has this corvid 19 virus suspected from originating in a wet market now, surely people would have died before now? or maybe they have but it has not been associated with a virus, i do not believe this is the way it started, more like Human error from this Wuhan Lab or secret Lab. Edited April 18, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i have said before in another post, Chinese people have been eating animals including bats for very many years that we in the west find abhorrent. so why only now has this corvid 19 virus suspected from originating in a wet market now, surely people would have died before now? or maybe they have but it has not been associated with a virus, i do not believe this is the way it started, more like Human error from this Wuhan Lab, Same reason that HIV is a relatively new disease, out of interest do you believe HIV was created in a lab too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Smokersmith said: Why start a thread with the word True in it, then fill it with carp? Why read a thread you think is rubbish and then bother contributing a pointless post to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, henry d said: Here's a good Article Interesting read but I don't think it makes a lab escape theory any less likely than the market transmission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Same reason that HIV is a relatively new disease, out of interest do you believe HIV was created in a lab too? hello, no it was as you know started in the 1920s in West Africa through people eating chimpanzee with SIV that crossed over to HIV in humans, Corvid 19 as the name that was given to this new virus is not likely to have started in buying from a wet market eg bats as the Chinese have done for many many years and more the older generation, or this would have killed many before now, my thought is still Human error from a Lab either the Wuhan or one that is only know to the Chinese government, i have been to open markets in China more for the older generations and was surprised at was being sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 It’s all guesswork and speculation..........those in charge and the powers that be, from wherever, will only tell us ‘mushrooms’ what they want us to know!.........why are people cynical? Because at some stage most of us realise, this is the case.....those that quote media reports to bolster their own opinion are just perpetuating the bull **** we are fed. Don’t believe anyone or anything.........and your just as likely to be right as wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyefor Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 From 1981... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Oh dear he we go again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, no it was as you know started in the 1920s in West Africa through people eating chimpanzee with SIV that crossed over to HIV in humans, Corvid 19 as the name that was given to this new virus is not likely to have started in buying from a wet market eg bats as the Chinese have done for many many years and more the older generation, or this would have killed many before now, my thought is still Human error from a Lab either the Wuhan or one that is only know to the Chinese government, i have been to open markets in China more for the older generations and was surprised at was being sold. But weren't people eating primates in Africa before 1920? I'm asking because I think you are suggesting that HIV and SARS-COV-2 took different paths in their evolution and if you are I don't follow the logic... I've been to markets in China, India, Saharan and Sub-saharan Africa - last time was Morocco in Feb and it's always as a surprise to me too 👍 Just now, panoma1 said: It’s all guesswork and speculation..........those in charge and the powers that be, from wherever, will only tell us ‘mushrooms’ what they want us to know!.........why are people cynical? Because at some stage most of us realise, this is the case.....those that quote media reports to bolster their own opinion are just perpetuating the bull **** we are fed. Don’t believe anyone or anything.........and your just as likely to be right as wrong! I was with you, right up to the fifth word. Got lost as to your point thereafter... Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: Oh dear he we go again! My thoughts exactly 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I was with you, right up to the fifth word. Got lost as to your point thereafter... Sorry, I thought my point was fairly obvious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 hello, yes i am sure they were eating primates long before the 1920 but maybe they did not associate with the new strain of HIV until the 1920s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, panoma1 said: Sorry, I thought my point was fairly obvious? It's not. Are you going to enlighten us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Eyefor said: From 1981... A million chimpanzees, randomly typing... Fails just below the orange highlights; "No other living... advantage of all this?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, Raja Clavata said: It's not. Are you going to enlighten us? No! Read it again! Or not?...........I don’t really care!.......alternatively, perhaps you could enlighten us as to which part of my posting you cant understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Don’t believe anyone or anything.........and your just as likely to be right as wrong! PW Gold 🍾 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, henry d said: PW Gold 🍾 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, panoma1 said: No! Read it again! Or not?...........I don’t really care!.......alternatively, perhaps you could enlighten us as to which part of my posting you cant understand? Not to worry, I already stated where I starting missing your point, thanks for your contribution on the subject. ATB. Just now, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, yes i am sure they were eating primates long before the 1920 but maybe they did not associate with the new strain of HIV until the 1920s OK, from my layman understanding I'm just assuming mutation and crossover and drawing the likely probability of parallels between the two viruses evolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 35 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, no it was as you know started in the 1920s in West Africa through people eating chimpanzee with SIV that crossed over to HIV in humans, Corvid 19 as the name that was given to this new virus is not likely to have started in buying from a wet market eg bats as the Chinese have done for many many years and more the older generation, or this would have killed many before now, my thought is still Human error from a Lab either the Wuhan or one that is only know to the Chinese government, i have been to open markets in China more for the older generations and was surprised at was being sold. Here you go, an easily read and digested Article Hope this helps you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Not to worry, I already stated where I starting missing your point, thanks for your contribution on the subject. ATB. OK, from my layman understanding I'm just assuming mutation and crossover and drawing the likely probability of parallels between the two viruses evolution. hello, i am not a Scientist just a 70 year old that believes there are more to these rumours that China is failing to answer for Edited April 18, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Interesting article about different 'strains' here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8231753/Coronavirus-started-spreading-early-September-not-originated-Wuhan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Just now, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i am not a Scientist just a 70 year old that believes there are more to these rumours that China is failing to answer for That's fair enough, I guess the question for me would be are you prepared to alter those beliefs as new information and data becomes available, I would suspect you are but clearly there are others who are not? In a way, I'm less interested in the actually point of source, food market or lab leak, it almost certainly originates from Wuhan - it's the events that followed that REALLY matter. I suspect it unravelled in much the same way as the Chernobyl disaster - maybe time will tell. I agree that China has a lot to answer for and is almost certainly with holding information and being divisive on the matter but let's just turn the table and consider if it had originated in the US - do you really think Trump would have hit the big red button and gone public, asking other nations to help / advise? The issue is that we get knee jerk war mongering reactions before we've even got the thing under control: https://www.newsweek.com/china-part-new-axis-evil-must-held-accountable-pandemic-senator-blackburn-says-1498717 I get the sentiment, sorta, but how on earth would that pan out in a practical sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, henry d said: Here you go, an easily read and digested Article Hope this helps you? hello, thankyou but i have read that being what i find interesting, but i reiterate why do they think it started from 1 death of a Chinese resident now eating a bat when it has been going on in China for many years, i believe the Government has stopped this practice would that be why they want to divert the truth away from what many many think it came from a Virology Lab 3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: That's fair enough, I guess the question for me would be are you prepared to alter those beliefs as new information and data becomes available, I would suspect you are but clearly there are others who are not? In a way, I'm less interested in the actually point of source, food market or lab leak, it almost certainly originates from Wuhan - it's the events that followed that REALLY matter. I suspect it unravelled in much the same way as the Chernobyl disaster - maybe time will tell. I agree that China has a lot to answer for and is almost certainly with holding information and being divisive on the matter but let's just turn the table and consider if it had originated in the US - do you really think Trump would have hit the big red button and gone public, asking other nations to help / advise? The issue is that we get knee jerk war mongering reactions before we've even got the thing under control: https://www.newsweek.com/china-part-new-axis-evil-must-held-accountable-pandemic-senator-blackburn-says-1498717 I get the sentiment, sorta, but how on earth would that pan out in a practical sense? hello, i think we are only told what they want us to hear springs to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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