Another example of the police making their own rules.

[Old farrier]

On 10/11/2020 at 20:59, AVB said:

Again explain the relationship between the distance travelled and the spread of Covid? There isn’t any. People are confusing bad behaviour in respect of social distancing and distance. There are people who will travel five minutes down the road and not socially distance and people who travel for two hours and do. 

Well put simply it started in China 

people traveled 

it’s now here 

so the further you travel the future it’ll spread 

 

[AVB]

2 hours ago, Old farrier said:

Well put simply it started in China 

people traveled 

it’s now here 

so the further you travel the future it’ll spread 

 

Which is true when there is no virus where you are travelling to. However it is well established in every part of the U.K. and in fact the world. 

[Old farrier]

39 minutes ago, AVB said:

Which is true when there is no virus where you are travelling to. However it is well established in every part of the U.K. and in fact the world. 

And travel to and from areas of lower than average will probably not help 

most can see that the numbers have gone up in (safe)area’s because people keep travelling to them 

[AVB]

12 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

And travel to and from areas of lower than average will probably not help 

most can see that the numbers have gone up in (safe)area’s because people keep travelling to them 

Any evidence of that? How do you know that it isn’t growing in a particular area due to ‘internal’ transmission? And I repeat what I said before. How far is safe and how far isn’t? 

[sportsbob]

3 minutes ago, AVB said:

Any evidence of that? How do you know that it isn’t growing in a particular area due to ‘internal’ transmission? And I repeat what I said before. How far is safe and how far isn’t? 

I live in a seaside town which had one of the lowest r rates in the country and once the holidaymakers came the r rate sharply increased . In fact the entire southwest had very low r rates until holidaymakers and day trippers came, there are some exceptions to the holidaymaker and the most notable is the student so Bristol, Bath and Exeter all have a problem with infection increase but the local authority had the sense to keep the rest of the tows open and only lockdown the Unis . I think this is a clear indication that travelling from a high covid area to a low covid area does increase the spread or it this just coincidence. 

[clangerman]

with the protest bristol just had full of students and the usual lack of police action to stop them we can look forward to yet another rise of infection 

[Old farrier]

39 minutes ago, AVB said:

Any evidence of that? How do you know that it isn’t growing in a particular area due to ‘internal’ transmission? And I repeat what I said before. How far is safe and how far isn’t? 

Internal transmission that’ll be how it gets spread around old folks homes although as they don’t go out it’s got to be brought in by people travelling 

how far ? Not a clue but would hazard a guess at as short as possible and not include a ferry journey in the distance between home and the visit to the countryside 

[southeastpete]

37 minutes ago, sportsbob said:

I live in a seaside town which had one of the lowest r rates in the country and once the holidaymakers came the r rate sharply increased . In fact the entire southwest had very low r rates until holidaymakers and day trippers came, there are some exceptions to the holidaymaker and the most notable is the student so Bristol, Bath and Exeter all have a problem with infection increase but the local authority had the sense to keep the rest of the tows open and only lockdown the Unis . I think this is a clear indication that travelling from a high covid area to a low covid area does increase the spread or it this just coincidence. 

Same here in south west wales. It’s obvious to everyone except AVB who seems to be immune from spreading it...

[clangerman]

if i drive fifty miles to a empty field i can infect nobody but if i drive a mile to shop i can infect anyone i’m in contact with so length of your journey is irrelevant contact with others is 

[Yellow Bear]

37 minutes ago, sportsbob said:

I live in a seaside town which had one of the lowest r rates in the country and once the holidaymakers came the r rate sharply increased . In fact the entire southwest had very low r rates until holidaymakers and day trippers came, there are some exceptions to the holidaymaker and the most notable is the student so Bristol, Bath and Exeter all have a problem with infection increase but the local authority had the sense to keep the rest of the tows open and only lockdown the Unis . I think this is a clear indication that travelling from a high covid area to a low covid area does increase the spread or it this just coincidence. 

Similarly we live in an area on the edge of the peaks, at the start of half term week the MSOA rate was 3 and it stayed that way 'til mid week so you cannot blame schools for spread.  since then it has rocketed 8 fold, the only differences being people traveling in/out for half term.

[southeastpete]

1 minute ago, Yellow Bear said:

Similarly we live in an area on the edge of the peaks, at the start of half term week the MSOA rate was 3 and it stayed that way 'til mid week so you cannot blame schools for spread.  since then it has rocketed 8 fold, the only differences being people traveling in/out for half term.

Don’t be silly AVB says that people travelling where they want can’t change the infection rate!

[Yellow Bear]

1 minute ago, southeastpete said:

Don’t be silly AVB says that people travelling where they want can’t change the infection rate!

True the actual travel may not - but when they get out of the car to shop/walk on a crowded beach because a shed load of ***** had the same idea it does.

[sportsbob]

41 minutes ago, clangerman said:

if i drive fifty miles to a empty field i can infect nobody but if i drive a mile to shop i can infect anyone i’m in contact with so length of your journey is irrelevant contact with others is 

We are all aware of that observation however reference was drawn to people travelling to holiday homes and second homes. These homes are generally not in the middle of a field miles away from anyone else but more typically they are in villages, hamlets and holiday towns. When these people interact with the locals the infection rate increases and that is a matter of fact, as en mass people will not observe correct distancing then travel restrictions are in many peoples opinions including mine necessary. 

Edited November 15, 2020 by sportsbob

[clangerman]

7 minutes ago, sportsbob said:

, as en mass people will not observe correct distancing then travel restrictions are in many peoples opinions necessary. 

that was my badly put point it’s not the length of journey it’s the idiot making it no amount of restrictions will cure stupid 

[sportsbob]

1 minute ago, clangerman said:

that was my badly put point it’s not the length of journey it’s the idiot making it no amount of restrictions will cure stupid 

Yes it will if the restrictions include travel distance. As an example of this we are currently trying to find another car for the wife and as we are looking for specific cars which offer reasonable performance we either need to travel into Wales which was locked down until the other week or Worcestershire or Dorset, these distances we feel are under the current lockdown to far so we are missing out.

[Scully]

Must admit it’s frustrating. Mate is off for a week and I’m off later in the week, and Westlands is less than an hour away from us......but in another country. 🙂

[AVB]

1 hour ago, clangerman said:

if i drive fifty miles to a empty field i can infect nobody but if i drive a mile to shop i can infect anyone i’m in contact with so length of your journey is irrelevant contact with others is 

Which is the correct answer. 

[sportsbob]

2 hours ago, AVB said:

Which is the correct answer. 

No it is a correct answer.

[treetree]

5 hours ago, sportsbob said:

I live in a seaside town which had one of the lowest r rates in the country and once the holidaymakers came the r rate sharply increased . In fact the entire southwest had very low r rates until holidaymakers and day trippers came, 

That's not the case in Cornwall, we're near some of the busiest holiday resorts probably in the UK. The place was rammed in the Summer, probably busiest I've seen it. No increase in the weeks or months after.

I still can't believe people are cheerleading for their continued lockup and financial ruin down the line. Madness.

[sportsbob]

21 minutes ago, treetree said:

That's not the case in Cornwall, we're near some of the busiest holiday resorts probably in the UK. The place was rammed in the Summer, probably busiest I've seen it. No increase in the weeks or months after.

I still can't believe people are cheerleading for their continued lockup and financial ruin down the line. Madness.

 Do you think it has more to do with high population density and multiple generation occupation of dwellings in the cities, that along with University campus lifestyle would be perfect for transmission. 

[AVB]

I read today that of the Covid related Fixed Penalty fines issued by the various police forces up to up to 48% of them have been rescinded on appeal. Merseyside (48%), Staffordshire (47%), Derbyshire (44%), BTP (40%). That seems awfully high to me an reinforces my view that some police forces are making it up as they go along.  

[Scully]

7 minutes ago, AVB said:

I read today that of the Covid related Fixed Penalty fines issued by the various police forces up to up to 48% of them have been rescinded on appeal. Merseyside (48%), Staffordshire (47%), Derbyshire (44%), BTP (40%). That seems awfully high to me an reinforces my view that some police forces are making it up as they go along.  

And many many have simply gone unpaid, although I can’t recall the percentages. 

[discobob]

There is a lady we bump into occasionally that is a retired copper - she told us that she had heard from friends still serving in the Met that the fines issued during lockdown were unenforceable and anybody that appealed against them just had their fine dropped, and anybody who didn't pay weren't pursued because the CPS were not willing to prosecute . Obviously you had people that just paid the fine.

 

[clangerman]

the law is meant to be the law why pay my speeding fine if these people don’t pay up 

[Vince Green]

19 hours ago, Scully said:

And many many have simply gone unpaid, although I can’t recall the percentages. 

That happens with all fines, a huge number never get paid but the courts don't have the resources to follow them up

the same as community orders, lots of offenders get let off because its hard to find things for them to do and / or they don't have enough people to supervise them

Edited November 19, 2020 by Vince Green