Agriv8 Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 Trying not to get into a brexit thread. But this must be good for us game shooters? More wetlands hedgerows and planting trees. Rather than paying for green fields. Not has chance to discuss with my farming friends but thought I would open up to us lot. the bbc version of what will happen is here ! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55102891 Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Agriv8 said: Trying not to get into a brexit thread. But this must be good for us game shooters? More wetlands hedgerows and planting trees. Rather than paying for green fields. Not has chance to discuss with my farming friends but thought I would open up to us lot. the bbc version of what will happen is here ! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55102891 Agriv8 Hello, if subsidies go cannot see sheep and beef farmers surviving and the cattle markets will close, arable farmers may do better, but what about dairy farms ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 Lots will depend upon the rules of the land management plan can’t see it being a easy transition for landowners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 told my brother at the time brexit will just see another name for people sucking at the tax payers teat and here we are surprise surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 Could be good for wildfowlers. Could be a disaster for game shooting if the antis get exclusions on payments if birds are released on the ground. There is potential for a or a huge amount of good but the devil is in the detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 You will have difficulty easting acorns and beech mast. With ever increasing numbers of people on this small island nation the production of our OWN food must be a priority. I am afraid lots of these environmetalists live in cloud coockoo land and probably most of their food intake is imported. I read mnus in our weekend papers and half the ingredients are imported and that costs. The dairy industry is in for a bit of a shake up with many of the milk companises having their main officies oustide the UK . I always look and ask where stuff comes from and try whenever I can to support local producers. May cost a few pennies more but well worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted November 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 All good points fella’s - my farmer mates up here are all mainly farm assured beef and moorland sheep. My feeling is a lot of beef these days hardly see the fields as they seem to be barn fed and reared. I do worry the the environmental lot will use the new regs to underline their views. Regardless if birds are reared and released the woods provide habitat for a lot of other species and that’s what they after The devil will be in the detail but to me I think the fact that these regs will be fazed in should allow farmers to plan and there will be winners and losers. regards Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 If subsidies are cut for meat production, prices will have to rise to realistic levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, figgy said: If subsidies are cut for meat production, prices will have to rise to realistic levels. Surely prices will be dictated by the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 Not if it's costing more to produce than it making. The market price would have to go up or there wouldn't be any. Farmers can't live on losses every year. Without subsidies farmers will start farming whatever is profitable. No set aside or margins, it'll be all out use every inch of land you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, figgy said: Not if it's costing more to produce than it making. The market price would have to go up or there wouldn't be any. Farmers can't live on losses every year. Without subsidies farmers will start farming whatever is profitable. No set aside or margins, it'll be all out use every inch of land you have. So prices go up. If people are willing and able to sustain those prices then good. However if they can’t or won’t then there is no market for it and farmers should stop producing it. It’s a bit like the argument that they can only produce asparagus if there is cheap European Labour to pick it. Well if the market can’t sustain it at a higher price then don’t grow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 Exactly my point AVB either the market will pay as that's the production cost or it won't and meat farming will cease. If your on a hill farm it's curtains, unless you can find something that will grow and make money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 And if farmers can't make a living and are forced to get out who do you think will eventually end up owning the land and welcome shooters. Certainly it won't be the eco friendly woke brigade, who will eventually turn our country into some vast nature reserve with a certain Mr Packham as it's president and Kerry ten Kate, Ben Goldsmith and Carrie Symonds as council members...............meanwhile we will all be forced to pay substancially more for our food, all of which will all have to be imported in a most carbon unfriendly way from countries with far from ideal animal welfare standards. But hey ho, at least we can sleep easy in the knowledge that our rewilded countryside is full of beaver, lynx, bison and wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 1, 2020 Report Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, CharlieT said: And if farmers can't make a living and are forced to get out who do you think will eventually end up owning the land and welcome shooters. Certainly it won't be the eco friendly woke brigade, who will eventually turn our country into some vast nature reserve with a certain Mr Packham as it's president and Kerry ten Kate, Ben Goldsmith and Carrie Symonds as council members...............meanwhile we will all be forced to pay substancially more for our food, all of which will all have to be imported in a most carbon unfriendly way from countries with far from ideal animal welfare standards. But hey ho, at least we can sleep easy in the knowledge that our rewilded countryside is full of beaver, lynx, bison and wolves. It will be a poor nature reserve without pasture or arable, biodiversity is just that, diversity, not everything lives in trees, I wonder if packam et al will take on the mass slaughter of all the uk's livestock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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