villaman Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 https://hardairmagazine.com/news/22-caliber-daystate-howler-slugs-are-announced-today/ Wildman .177 slugs coming out soon https://www.wildmanslugs.com/shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted January 10, 2021 Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 Jesus how much are they going to be if they come with a free $2 token with every tin 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2021 No information on those .177 slugs . And no mention of any .177 howler slugs either 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 H&N should be releasing .177 slugs soon 13-16 gr and best shot around the 960 980 FPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 Is that 13 and 16 grn Or 13 to 16 grn ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 On 03/01/2021 at 15:37, Ultrastu said: So i managed to do a comparison between sub 12 and fac on these slugs . Expansion test into my bacon test medium .this time there were 4 packs of bacon back to back .giving 100 mm of meat .with the soft pellet catcher behind . Guns used Sub 12 bsa ultra .600 fps at the muzzle Fac scorpion 800 fps at the muzzle Point blank . The 600 fps slug penetrated all 100mm of bacon and was caught very gentally by the rags .the 800 fps slug penetrated to a depth of 70 mm and was found between the layers of bacon . Expansion was huge on the fast slug measuring 8mm and almost nil on the 600 fps slug This brings real world proof to the idea of projectile shape governing penetration depth not necessarily velocity.. I refer you to my pictures above bruno . Here is your answer . the faster they go the less penetration . The expansion of that slug is seriously impressive, that's going to make a mess when it hits a squirrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu64 Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 I like experimenting and trying different ammo, its an interesting part of shooting for me. so I've just ordered 100 slugs to put through my 12ftlb s410f. the weight and lower speed will be offset a bit by the high b.c. I'm hoping for better resistance to side winds. I did see a video ages ago where jsb were at a show and mentioned slugs made of tin. A 4.5mm slug around 9 or 10 grains would be very interesting for 12ftlb guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Is that 13 and 16 grn Or 13 to 16 grn ? Test ones at the moment are 13 and 16 gr , but H&N haven’t finalised which ones are coming out yet H&N also have come out with 18 gr pellet .22 Edited January 12, 2021 by villaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 Well i have zero interest in a 16 grn .177 its too heavy . The 13 grn is about the maximum I would consider .and would prefer a 10 or 11 grn slug .and yes this is for fac . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Ultrastu said: would prefer a 10 or 11 grn slug .and yes this is for fac . Have you tried running JSB heavies or crossman magnums at the speeds you were doing the tests at? There the weight you want between 10-11 grn, obviously not slugs though. I thought I'd missed a squirrel yesterday because of the impact on the feeder but the heavy just went straight through, not sure how stable they would be though at high speed, it might give a good comparison though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Yeah I've tried them they are ok .but don't suit my barrel as well as the standard 8.44 s . I'm also trying to get away form heavy pellets that just pass right through quarry .hence why I dont shoot heavy pellets in any of my guns .(for calibre ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just a little update to this thread I tried these prohunter slugs in a very strong side wind yesterday l-r . For comparison we shot 13grn slugs at 800 fps jsb exact at 980 fps ., jsb hades at900 fps and fx hybrids at 900 fps . The exact pellets top left .slugs top right Hybrids bottom left .hades bottom right As you can see the 46 fpe hybrids moved the least in the wind followed by the slowest .177 slugs . Then the hades and finally the jsb exact although fastest and lightest .just srtung out in a line l-r . Very impressed with these slugs In the wind and at pretty slow speeds also . Worth noting the prohunter slugs had easily the tightest group also . Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Forgot to say 60 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 What size groups are they with H&N .22 slug at that distance it would be slug on slug and @ 75 yards pellets would give you a better group at that distance as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Shot in a very strong cross wind over an open field . The point of the exercise was to see how much wind these pellets and slugs took . The range was 60 yds and yes these guns do shoot really right groups at that range in still conditions . The circles are about 28 mm so you can easily judge that your self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Interesting and worthwhile exercise, thank you for posting @Ultrastu Just a quick point regarding range, it is a curious contrast to the perception of use of an air gun at 60/75 yards to that of @Perazzishot’s shotgun at 72 yards. Neither of which tests were at live quarry, but in both threads live quarry are mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Good point .recieved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 7 hours ago, WalkedUp said: Interesting and worthwhile exercise, thank you for posting @Ultrastu Just a quick point regarding range, it is a curious contrast to the perception of use of an air gun at 60/75 yards to that of @Perazzishot’s shotgun at 72 yards. Neither of which tests were at live quarry, but in both threads live quarry are mentioned. Don't follow? Stu is using an FAC airgun and experimenting, how many people have tested at that range and posted the results? What would have been really interesting would to have shot a 22 along side and see how they compared first hand with the cross wind, or your 25 Stu. But I realise this was about the 177 slugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Well my mate had his .25 cal . And I my .177 . There was a lot of other testing done (chrono and speed work ) before we finished with the wind test . Maybe when the .177 is exactly where I want it . We will revisit the wind test with a whole host of guns, calibres pellets and slugs . I have to admit to expecting the 980 fps pellets to drift only a touch more than the 800 fps slugs (.177 ) thinking that speed would make up for some difference . Well on the tests above .it would seem out of the 3 main factors. Speed .weight and bc .the one that has the biggest bearing on wind drift is bc . How the other 2 rank ? I'm not sure (I would guess speed beats weight .but I'd have to confirm it somehow ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243deer Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Stu, it makes a change to see real world results rather than just hear how folk shot a 2 1/4 inch group at 1000 yards at Bisley snap shooting with a 50 cal (I kid you not folks, I was once told this by the owner of a gunshop) What it really shows is that before setting out to shoot live quarry with small kill zones a lot of folk should do a lot more practice and be far more honest with themselves about what their maximum humane range should be. Did you use a bench rest for the groups or was there a human error element? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 We shot off an old fridge and sat on my work hop up .and were a bit buffeted by the wind .but it was all the same for the groups so a fair comparison . Thinking of how to test which has the greater influence on wind drift . Speed or weight .(as I drove home ) I would need to isolate the changing bc out of the equation .(bc is more a function of the weight of a pellet and much less so the speed ) so I need to choose 2 pellets one heavier than the other but both that have similar bc s in the same calibre . That would be jsb exact 8.44 grn bc 0.024 Bisley magnum 10.5 grn bc 0.024 And shoot them at the same speed so say 800 fps that would be 12 fpe and 15 fpe Then compare jsb exact at 800 fps to a jsb exact shot at 900 fps which is 15 fpe . So the energy increase is the same for both partys .up from 12 to 15 fpe . One only increasing speed ,one only increasing weight , the bc remains constant . Though I wonder if this is fair ? .as the bismag is 20 % heavier than the jsb . To get the same speed percentage increase id have to increase the speed from 800 to 1000 fps .which would be 19 fpe not 15 fpe .???? I feel keeping the energy the same is probably the way to go .?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Mice! said: Don't follow? Stu is using an FAC airgun and experimenting, how many people have tested at that range and posted the results? What would have been really interesting would to have shot a 22 along side and see how they compared first hand with the cross wind, or your 25 Stu. But I realise this was about the 177 slugs. I appreciate that it’s an FAC air rifle as the fl/lbs of energy was stated. And, as stated, I support the work to test at longer ranges and in a variety of conditions. My post was to raise a specific point, relevant to other threads over the last 6 months or so. It is not to cause issues but to try and mediate other discussions by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 Apparently H&N .177 slugs are out 13 gr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Someone testing slugs for H&N said they were due to release a sub12 .177 slug but have shelved it to make more pellets and fill the gap that jsb can't fill. Also another couple of lads testing a UK 10.5 grain sub12 slug due to be released soon. It's the likes of H&N we need as they will be more wallet friendly than small companies offerings. Edited March 22, 2021 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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